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Message 1 of 133 (852195)
05-08-2019 11:07 AM


Disclaimer: This post is a form of personal advertising. I am essentially plugging my new Facebook Page. Feel free to ignore this topic and move on!
So here is the whole story.
Many years ago, even before I came to the EvC Forum, I began to call myself thugpreacha. I have several e-mails with the name, and I have always used the name primarily for e-mails, though at one time maybe I thought of having my own show on YouTube...it was just that I was too self-conscious and shy to ever follow through with it.
TIMELINE:
1993-Got Saved. Born Again. My life changed forever.
1995 onward---> Began going to the State Youth Service Centers to share the gospel and talk with incarcerated youth. I was in an organization known as Youth For Christ.
1993-1997- Attended Disciple Fellowship Church. Became fully immersed in the charismatic sub-culture. Emotionally, I was immature and simple-minded, though I felt even then that God was real and alive within me. The main difference between me then vs now is a matter of emotional maturity and the ability to also accept logic, reason, and reality.
Main Addictions and hangups:
  • Compulsive gambling. 1992-2016. A couple of brief relapses since then, but sober 99% of the time.
  • Emotional Codependency and immaturity. All of my adult life, though I feel as if I am making progress in this addiction/hangup. EvC Forum has helped me a lot. You guys actually did more for me than the church did.
  • Addictive eating hangups and food addictions leading to increased diabetic neuropathy, retinopathy, and overweight. 1980-2018. I am also finally overcoming this bad habit and am eating well these days. My health has stabilized and is improving slowly.
    So during my last brief relapse into compulsive gambling, which lasted but a few days, I found myself praying fervently to God. I asked Him to basically give me a break for I needed money to retire and in my foolish willful ignorance thought that he would bless me quickly through gambling!! I should have known better and likely actually did, but I preferred the fantasy of an answered prayer over the reality which has ended up happening.
    Now...I know you guys are all going to think I am as batty as Faith or worse, but I clearly heard God "say" to me to stop gambling and to pursue my old dream of making Thugpreacha a social media project. So I did.
    Introducing Thugpreacha.
    It is my consuming passion. I honestly feel that it is what I should do in this day and age and I feel no embarrassment over my behavior at all.
    To be honest, I was a bit taken aback by what I heard God tell me to do. After all, I am 59, and no longer young. But I was fully obedient to the call.
  • I licensed the name.
  • I started Thugpreacha LLC and now have the brand as a business. I plan on never asking anyone for any money, however. If Thugpreacha never makes a dime, I'm still happy and satisfied that I have done the right thing. My goal is to be myself. Be honest and talk about what I feel strongly about. It is a video/audio extension of my EvC persona. For now, however, I plan on keeping my name here at our forum as "Phat".
    For any of you who feel so inclined, watch a few of my videos and give me an honest critique of my page.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 4 of 133 (852199)
    05-08-2019 11:52 AM
    Reply to: Message 3 by Stile
    05-08-2019 11:17 AM


    Thugpreacha is already one of my aliases here at EvC. I have had it for years but rarely if ever use it and don't plan on doing so. You all know me as Phat. We have a thing here!
    As for tangle.... What you have always seen is what you got and is in fact who I am. I still want to fly to England at some time and go fishing. Maybe you can talk some sense into me!

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 5 of 133 (852648)
    05-15-2019 2:52 AM
    Reply to: Message 3 by Stile
    05-08-2019 11:17 AM


    Thugzy Unplugged
    I feel a definite calling from God to pursue this Thugpreacha social media character. You guys know me better than most people so feel free to criticize me in this thread.
    Edited by Phat, : newer video

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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    Phat
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    Message 7 of 133 (852650)
    05-15-2019 4:17 AM
    Reply to: Message 6 by Tangle
    05-15-2019 3:29 AM


    Re: Thugzy Unplugged
    I see it as therapeutic. A harmless exercise in freedom of speech. Don't you agree that I am more open-minded than many Christians?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 34 of 133 (852825)
    05-17-2019 1:46 PM
    Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
    05-16-2019 4:29 PM


    Re: Thugzy Unplugged
    OK, what about this one?
    Update Your Browser | Facebook

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 49 of 133 (852893)
    05-20-2019 8:13 AM
    Reply to: Message 39 by Tangle
    05-18-2019 2:45 AM


    Re: Thugzy Unplugged
    You need to have a word with your alter ego about bare links.
    (And some sensible people don't use Facebreach.
    I agree about the bare links...they could be more professionally done. Aside from "Facebreach", I will use YouTube and Twitter eventually.
    Percy is a stats nerd so here are my stats so far:

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 50 of 133 (852897)
    05-20-2019 11:28 AM
    Reply to: Message 38 by LamarkNewAge
    05-18-2019 1:19 AM


    Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
    This is an interesting discussion and will provide me the opportunity to study along as I arrive at my own conclusions and beliefs regarding Gnosticism, (what exactly the term means) and what some would definitely call "traditional Orthodox Christianity". I believe that scripture explains itself due to the belief that I can discern it through spiritual eyes obtained through the Grace of my salvation. Funny how we all fight regarding which one of us is the actual Know-It-All. Faith, to your credit you have studied extensively, though critics would assert that you only stick to the views which you see as traditional and Orthodox. (Orthodox literally meaning "Right Teaching". ) But lest I stray too far off of the path(distracted by that giant white rabbit) let me see if I understand the terminology and the dogma which I was taught (as well as the imparted wisdom I believe I acquired)-----
    Definitions:
    quote:
    Gnosticism: a prominent heretical movement of the 2nd-century Christian Church, partly of pre-Christian origin. The Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge and that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit. (...)
    Gnosticism was a second-century heresy claiming that salvation could be gained through secret knowledge. Gnosticism is derived from the Greek word gnosis, meaning "to know" or "knowledge."
    Based on this, I myself could be called gnostic simply due to the fact that I believe that once I was "saved" I became able to discern spiritual wisdom over and above the wisdom of this world.... !!!
    EvC has taught me many things. Critical thinking being a primary lesson...as well as questioning and doubting. Our member Faith is unconcerned with critical thought---she already has her mind made up based on her belief. I can't say that she is wrong in this regard....though she views me as essentially "unsaved" due to the very idea that I even would question scripture. That's how I am wired, however...its how God made me. At times, my very human carnal self surfaces in these discussions because I feel strongly about certain beliefs and behaviors by and through others as being....quite simply...WRONG. So Faith, if you are reading along, I am confessing that I am in many ways like you. When I get mad at you for defending conservative nationalist thinking and vilifying liberal globalist secular thinking, I am not saying that your belief or perspective is wrong---I am simply irritated at the witness (as representing Christ) that you exhibit during such arguments. You and I will forever likely fuss, but I see you as a sister. Let's continue with this discussion, however. I like it!
    Now...LNA on to you.
    LNA, responding to Faith writes:
    When did the Roman Catholic church start?
    Can you provide some detail on what clued you in on the date?
    Leave it to you to queue up for an intellectual argument! You ca cut & paste with the best of them! Perhaps I can jump in at this point. I think that what Faith is trying to say is that there was the true spiritual thinking of a revitalized spirit-filled Paul versus a drab ceremonial church (RCC) that in many ways was a continuation of the Pharisitical trappings of classical Judaism. She is essentially arguing that Paul wrote the scripture and that the scripture, therefore, has to be right! (a view I could agree with)
    |
    Note the scripture you quoted. Specifically
    Col 2:8-10 writes:
    8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. NKJV
    Are you thus arguing that Paul never wrote this? Are you also arguing that the writers were, in fact, Gnostics? Perhaps due to the enlightened, "We are Holy through Christ" teaching? Ir so I disagree. I can personally attest that God gives us wisdom. You can google and cut & paste all day and arrive at a pile of scholarly observations, but where in that pile will you find the truth?
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 55 of 133 (852906)
    05-20-2019 1:24 PM
    Reply to: Message 54 by PaulK
    05-20-2019 1:14 PM


    Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
    I would argue that they are not facts.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 59 of 133 (852916)
    05-20-2019 2:58 PM
    Reply to: Message 56 by PaulK
    05-20-2019 1:29 PM


    Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
    As a believer, I have faced such arguments before. It is silly to deny that there are discrepancies...I am not a word-for-word literalist. I am, however, a thought-for-thought literalist. The stories point to a definite overall truth about human capability and of Gods interaction with humanity---even going so far as to suggest that a character in a book could be fictional yet through the fictionalized story actually become a real living idea. The main point of the Bible is to show humanity that God is alive even when He seems distant and imagined. Critics could well argue that we made God up...but to me, it is more folly to suggest the fact that we humans live on a dust speck of a planet---Sagans Pale Blue Dot---and have the audacity as a species of questioning, doubting, and attempting to disprove the existence of a Creator to ourselves while at the same time using mathematics to postulate the literal existence of multiverses. You are free to take the meaning of the stories any way you so choose. I find personally that when I begin to relish the role of a critic higher than I do the role of a believer I, in essence, become my own god even while rejecting the God Who Is. Not a wise move.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 60 of 133 (852917)
    05-20-2019 3:09 PM
    Reply to: Message 51 by Tangle
    05-20-2019 12:10 PM


    Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
    It is honest to question. It is entirely a choice whether or not to doubt. Questioning need not lead to doubting nor should it weaken one's faith at all.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 62 of 133 (852921)
    05-20-2019 3:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 61 by PaulK
    05-20-2019 3:11 PM


    Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
    In a sense, think that we agree...we just have different approaches in so doing.
    We both question.
    We both have doubted at times
    We both agree that the goal of applying critical thinking to our lives is not intended to be a tool used to dismiss the possibility of a Creator. Correct?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 64 of 133 (852930)
    05-20-2019 4:31 PM
    Reply to: Message 63 by PaulK
    05-20-2019 4:01 PM


    Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
    paulK writes:
    The goal of critical thinking is to expose falsehoods and those ideas inadequately supported by the evidence. Young Earth Creationism is the former, Deistic creation the latter.
    If a Creator existed and yet it could be scientifically "shown" that the universe need not require a Creator, as Hawking stated...it would boil down to faith rather than evidence. If no such Creator existed, those of you who have not found a reason to believe would be vindicated.
    It is noteworthy that while many Christians seemed to vilify Hawking for apparently being an unbeliever, the great man himself had a few quotes of note that gave one pause to think.
  • We are in danger of destroying ourselves by our greed and stupidity. We cannot remain looking inwards at ourselves on a small and increasingly polluted and overcrowded planet.
  • My advice to other disabled people would be, concentrate on things your disability doesn't prevent you from doing well and don't regret the things it interferes with. Don't be disabled in spirit as well as physically.
    The only quote he had that, in my opinion, would make it difficult to accept God would be this last one, however.
  • In my opinion, there is no aspect of reality beyond the reach of the human mind.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 72 of 133 (852945)
    05-21-2019 9:02 AM
    Reply to: Message 63 by PaulK
    05-20-2019 4:01 PM


    Before We Go Any Further...RAZD Are You There?
    I thought I would flag RAZD down to help us muddle through some of this. It is my understanding, in a strict definition of where we all stand, that I profess to be a Cosmological Creationist...in that I believe that God created all seen and unseen yet not necessarily a Biblical Creationist, which would follow a word for word literal Bible and biblical account, which is Faith's position as I understand it. Perhaps you can clarify your position, PaulK. I have understood you to be basically an atheist who defers to the latest in scientific understanding as to the origin of the universe as we know it. RAZD is more along the lines of Deistic Creation.
    Wiki writes:
    Deism (/dizm/ DEE-iz-m”[1][2] or /de.zm/ DAY-iz-m; derived from Latin "deus" meaning "god") is the philosophical belief which posits that although God exists as the uncaused First Cause - ultimately responsible for the creation of the universe - God does not interact directly with that subsequently created world. Equivalently, deism can also be defined as the view which asserts God's existence as the cause of all things, and admits its perfection (and usually the existence of natural law and Providence) but rejects divine revelation or direct intervention of God in the universe by miracles. It also rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge and asserts that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a single creator or absolute principle of the universe.[3][4][5]
    Deism as a form of natural theology gained prominence among intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in Britain, France, Germany, and the United States. Typically, deists had been raised as Christians and believed in one God, but had become disenchanted with organized religion and orthodox teachings such as the Trinity, Biblical inerrancy, and the supernatural interpretation of events, such as miracles.[6] Included in those influenced by its ideas were leaders of the American and French Revolutions.[7]
    Deism is considered to exist in the classical and modern forms,[8] where the classical view takes what is called a "cold" approach by asserting the non-intervention of a deity in the natural behavior of the created universe, while the modern deist formulation can be either "warm" (citing an involved deity) or "cold" (citing an uninvolved deity). These lead to many subdivisions of modern deism, which serves as an overall category of belief.[9]
    The reason that I am not a Biblical Creationist nor Literalist (except perhaps a Thought For Thought Literalist) is a belief that is under construction and not written in stone (nor on my heart). I am now going to advertise this post on my Thugpreacha page in the hopes of drawing some of them here to our little virtual porch on EvC Forum where jar always urged newbies to "pull up a stump and set a spell".
    Todays Posts @ Thugpreacha...Note the shameless plug for the Mormons as well! They are gonna hate me!
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 77 of 133 (852951)
    05-21-2019 10:54 AM
    Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
    05-20-2019 5:05 PM


    Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
    Faith, addressing PaulK writes:
    Critical thinking weighs whatever information is available on both sides, including vagueness, imponderables, suspected but not proven falseness, various kinds and credibility of evidence, and comes to conclusions based on the assigned weights since evidence on many subjects is really not all that compelling.
    The main reason that I tentatively rejected the basic YEC arguments was that I believe that God does not require that level of Faith from me. In my opinion, He considers it important that I believe in the Virgin Birth when the Creator of all seen and unseen stepped out of eternity into time.
    He also considers it important for me to believe in the death, burial, and resurrection. These two points I shall never doubt. I honestly believe that mythicists such as Richard Carrier are tools of Satan. After talking with PaulK, I do not believe that he is such a tool. I believe that we were meant to have discussions and debates with him in order for us to sharpen his perspective as well as he sharpening ours. But I can only speak for myself.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 79 of 133 (852953)
    05-21-2019 11:04 AM
    Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
    05-21-2019 10:46 AM


    Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
    Faith, addressing PaulK writes:
    You get it wrong and don't know it. I know it because I do have spiritual discernment.
    You must admit one thing, though. IF the Bible is word for word literal and everything within its pages will eventually come to pass, know that once this happens, the entire global intellectual secular mindset will be quite literally blown out of the water. In fact, those who are foreknown to reject the Gospel to their graves will manifest satanically and the world will plunge into a chaotic tailspin. The Rapture likely will occur near this time. Keep in mind that I was saved every bit as much as you were. I too have spiritual discernment, although they argue that I refuse to use it fully nor cast aside the vain imaginations of secular wisdom in deference to it. That's how God made me, however. It is how I was hardwired and it is why my page will forever be controversial.
    As for you, it is not that I consider you batty or delusional...it is quite possible that you will have been right all along, though to no credit towards your own intellect but simply a matter of God reaping all of the credit to His glory.
    My only beef with you is that you sometimes come across as all too human. You showcase much carnal behavior publically, which to me is a bad witness. To be fair, I am no better than you, however...so dont take my remarks as snark in any way.
    In addition, feel free to become a critic of my page.
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    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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