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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Critical thinking SUPPORTS the traditional view, Phat.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are arguing from an ABSENCE of information. Daniel holds together quite nicely as written. And in the case of the gospels you are making too much of tiny discrepancies which only show that different people had slightly different points of view, although I'm sure that there are plenty of scholars who can explain this better than I can. Critical thinking leads to the recognition that scripture was given to us by God and we are to read it from that point as "God-breathed" knowing that such questions as you raise are irrelevant.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The goal of critical thinking is to expose falsehoods and those ideas inadequately supported by the evidence. That's an inadequate definition. Critical thinking weighs whatever information is available on both sides, including vagueness, imponderables, suspected but not proven falseness, various kinds and credibility of evidence, and comes to conclusions based on the assigned weights since evidence on many subjects is really not all that compelling.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Critical thinking takes into account the experience of being born again and of spiritual discernment. If you don't have it you can't take it into account of course.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Since you yourself have no spiritual discernment, you can't judge someone else's.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah well I'm the one who gets it right about the Bible. Sorry.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You wouldn't know, though, because you don't have spiritual discernment. You get it wrong and don't know it. I know it because I do have spiritual discernment. You are all wrong about the book of Daniel for instance, ridiculously wrong.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just for the record, I don't make much use of the "basic YEC arguments," I take off from some of them here and there but for the most part I've thought through the issues for myself and come up with my own completely unique arguments. YEC yes but my own. I do it because I'm interested in them and think I understand them to the point that I take them. I don't do it out of any sense of feeling required to address them, but because I enjoy doing it.
I don't think anything is gained by debating with atheists, but that is what is done at EvC so that's why you or I engage in it here.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
IF the Bible is word for word literal... That is wrong, I've never said that and it's not true. The Bible is all true AS WRITTEN, and as written it contains all kinds of nonliteral meanings. No idea what you are going on about after that. Yes I do fall into the flesh at times, particularly when the outrageousness of EvC gets to me. I don't think I can participate at Facebook since I don't have a Facebook account and don't want one.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are whole studies of Daniel that I've read that taught me the interpretation I follow. Yours comes from revisionist modernists, mine comes from the standard approach followed by all orthodox Protestant evangelicals.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know I have spiritual discernment because I use it all the time. I know the traditional view of Daniel is correct because I have spiritual discernment. It is acquired by being born again and the main way you know you have it is that you fall in love with the God of the Bible and with the Bible itself. I certainly didn't feel that way before. And loving God and loving His Law leads me to recognize the true teachings and yours are not the true teachings no matter how convinced you are of them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The beam in the eye is about sin, not about doctrine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Modern scholars are generally not believers, are not born again, have zero spiritual discernment, do not love God or His word, and without the slightest reverence manhandle the Bible with their profane views.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Spiritual discernment is a guide to critical thinking, not a contradiction.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's about condemning sin in others instead of recognizing it in yourself.
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