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Message 52 of 133 (852903)
05-20-2019 1:02 PM
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05-20-2019 11:28 AM


Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
Critical thinking SUPPORTS the traditional view, Phat.

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Message 57 of 133 (852914)
05-20-2019 2:09 PM
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05-20-2019 1:29 PM


Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
You are arguing from an ABSENCE of information. Daniel holds together quite nicely as written. And in the case of the gospels you are making too much of tiny discrepancies which only show that different people had slightly different points of view, although I'm sure that there are plenty of scholars who can explain this better than I can. Critical thinking leads to the recognition that scripture was given to us by God and we are to read it from that point as "God-breathed" knowing that such questions as you raise are irrelevant.
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Message 66 of 133 (852932)
05-20-2019 5:05 PM
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05-20-2019 4:01 PM


Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
The goal of critical thinking is to expose falsehoods and those ideas inadequately supported by the evidence.
That's an inadequate definition. Critical thinking weighs whatever information is available on both sides, including vagueness, imponderables, suspected but not proven falseness, various kinds and credibility of evidence, and comes to conclusions based on the assigned weights since evidence on many subjects is really not all that compelling.

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Message 68 of 133 (852936)
05-20-2019 8:29 PM
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05-20-2019 5:09 PM


Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
Critical thinking takes into account the experience of being born again and of spiritual discernment. If you don't have it you can't take it into account of course.

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Message 70 of 133 (852940)
05-21-2019 12:25 AM
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05-20-2019 11:42 PM


Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Since you yourself have no spiritual discernment, you can't judge someone else's.

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Message 73 of 133 (852947)
05-21-2019 10:17 AM
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05-21-2019 12:44 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Yeah well I'm the one who gets it right about the Bible. Sorry.

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Message 76 of 133 (852950)
05-21-2019 10:46 AM
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Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
You wouldn't know, though, because you don't have spiritual discernment. You get it wrong and don't know it. I know it because I do have spiritual discernment. You are all wrong about the book of Daniel for instance, ridiculously wrong.

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Message 78 of 133 (852952)
05-21-2019 11:00 AM
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05-21-2019 10:54 AM


Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
Just for the record, I don't make much use of the "basic YEC arguments," I take off from some of them here and there but for the most part I've thought through the issues for myself and come up with my own completely unique arguments. YEC yes but my own. I do it because I'm interested in them and think I understand them to the point that I take them. I don't do it out of any sense of feeling required to address them, but because I enjoy doing it.
I don't think anything is gained by debating with atheists, but that is what is done at EvC so that's why you or I engage in it here.

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Message 80 of 133 (852956)
05-21-2019 11:17 AM
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05-21-2019 11:04 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
IF the Bible is word for word literal...
That is wrong, I've never said that and it's not true. The Bible is all true AS WRITTEN, and as written it contains all kinds of nonliteral meanings.
No idea what you are going on about after that.
Yes I do fall into the flesh at times, particularly when the outrageousness of EvC gets to me.
I don't think I can participate at Facebook since I don't have a Facebook account and don't want one.

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Message 82 of 133 (852958)
05-21-2019 11:27 AM
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05-21-2019 11:24 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
There are whole studies of Daniel that I've read that taught me the interpretation I follow. Yours comes from revisionist modernists, mine comes from the standard approach followed by all orthodox Protestant evangelicals.

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Message 86 of 133 (852962)
05-21-2019 11:48 AM
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05-21-2019 11:40 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
I know I have spiritual discernment because I use it all the time. I know the traditional view of Daniel is correct because I have spiritual discernment. It is acquired by being born again and the main way you know you have it is that you fall in love with the God of the Bible and with the Bible itself. I certainly didn't feel that way before. And loving God and loving His Law leads me to recognize the true teachings and yours are not the true teachings no matter how convinced you are of them.

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Message 88 of 133 (852964)
05-21-2019 11:52 AM
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05-21-2019 11:45 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
The beam in the eye is about sin, not about doctrine.

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Message 93 of 133 (852969)
05-21-2019 11:54 AM
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05-21-2019 11:50 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Modern scholars are generally not believers, are not born again, have zero spiritual discernment, do not love God or His word, and without the slightest reverence manhandle the Bible with their profane views.

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Message 94 of 133 (852970)
05-21-2019 11:55 AM
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05-21-2019 11:54 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Spiritual discernment is a guide to critical thinking, not a contradiction.

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Message 96 of 133 (852972)
05-21-2019 11:56 AM
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05-21-2019 11:53 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
It's about condemning sin in others instead of recognizing it in yourself.

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