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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Don't be silly. It's about discernment in general. If you can't discern one, you can't discern the other. The beam in the eye is about sin, not about doctrine.Izquierdo.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: In other words you don’t know and you weren’t using critical thinking at all.
quote: So we’re back to the fact that I have evidence - including the actual text - and you just have false boasting.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Modern scholars are generally not believers, are not born again, have zero spiritual discernment, do not love God or His word, and without the slightest reverence manhandle the Bible with their profane views.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Spiritual discernment is a guide to critical thinking, not a contradiction.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I have no intention of dismissing them. I realize that they come to the table with evidence. My only assertion is that their motives themselves need to become part of the evidence so that we can discern whether or not the argument is spiritual rather than simply bricks and mortar.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's about condemning sin in others instead of recognizing it in yourself.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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I wish you'd stop talking about "evidence" as if it were the exclusive possession of unbelievers. For pete's sake nobody can think at all about anything without recognizing the evidence for and against whatever proposition you are considering.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Again, copout. A "spiritual argument" is an excuse to dismiss actual evidence. If Darwin, Karl Marx and Hitler agree on something, the correct way to evaluate it is on the evidence, not the motivation. My only assertion is that their motives themselves need to become part of the evidence so that we can discern whether or not the argument is spiritual rather than simply bricks and mortar.Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
All I can say in response is what Jesus said:
quote: Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Discernment is discernment. If you can't discern sin, you can't discern doctrine. It's about condemning sin in others instead of recognizing it in yourself.Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
If in fact there is a spiritual plane apart from matter, physical objective evidence alone will never win any debate. Perhaps you can address that remote possibility.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
if there was such a plane, how would you know about it? If in fact there is a spiritual plane apart from matter, physical objective evidence alone will never win any debate. Perhaps you can address that remote possibility.Izquierdo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
One of the criminals recognized Him and therefore was saved. The other was not. Jesus was asking God to forgive those who crucified Him, however, all of them.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Scholars in general are trying to get at the truth. To understand the Bible in its historical context. But the first question you should ask is whether their views fit with the text - it isn’t hard to find a Bible and check ! That’s a lot better - and far more relevant than imputing motives to people you don’t know. The revisionists on the other hand were likely trying to save a failed prophecy. Hardly uncommon behaviour amongst apologists even now.
quote: That seems highly prejudiced and prejudicial. Apologists are inherently biased - and often less than honest. If you are looking for “tools of Satan” the latter seems a useful pointer.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That may be so but that passage nevertheless is about sin and not about doctrine. I don't have a problem with it myself since I really don't address people's sin. I figure it's none of my business unless there is some compelling reason to bring it up with the person him/herself, or it reaches criminal proportions which affect all of us.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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