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Message 83 of 133 (852959)
05-21-2019 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
05-21-2019 11:17 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Faith writes:
I don't think I can participate at Facebook since I don't have a Facebook account and don't want one.
You dont need one. Just follow the link.
Thugpreacha
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 87 of 133 (852963)
05-21-2019 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by PaulK
05-21-2019 11:40 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
PaulK, addressing Faith writes:
But then again why shouldn’t scholars be better able to retrieve the original meaning before the revisionists got at it ?
Were I to ask this question, I would seek to know the motives of the scholars and the motives of the revisionists if in fact there actually were revisionists. I am unconvinced at this point.
For instance, it is claimed that the Gospel of John was written and revised and edited by redactors. The Christian Apologists never mention this claim, so either the Christian Apologists have an ulterior motive to direct and hide the full truth or (more likely in my mind) the scholars who claim to be unbiased and fully neutral are in fact tools of Satan. Of course, I then must convince my audience that Satan exists....and I usually dont like to hype his marketing brand.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 90 of 133 (852966)
05-21-2019 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by ringo
05-21-2019 11:45 AM


Ringo Rides Into Town...
Help me with my Beam while we put your splinter on the back burner!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 95 of 133 (852971)
05-21-2019 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by ringo
05-21-2019 11:52 AM


Throwing Out The Baby(in the manger) With The Bathwater
I have no intention of dismissing them. I realize that they come to the table with evidence. My only assertion is that their motives themselves need to become part of the evidence so that we can discern whether or not the argument is spiritual rather than simply bricks and mortar.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 99 of 133 (852975)
05-21-2019 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Faith
05-21-2019 11:54 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
All I can say in response is what Jesus said:
quote:
Luke 23:32-34
32 There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."
NKJV

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 101 of 133 (852977)
05-21-2019 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by ringo
05-21-2019 11:58 AM


Re: Throwing Out The Baby(in the manger) With The Bathwater
If in fact there is a spiritual plane apart from matter, physical objective evidence alone will never win any debate. Perhaps you can address that remote possibility.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 106 of 133 (852982)
05-21-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by ringo
05-21-2019 12:01 PM


Re: Throwing Out The Baby(in the manger) With The Bathwater
ringo writes:
if there was such a plane, how would you know about it?
Good question.
1 Cor 2:6-16 writes:
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
Thus, the idea that we humans can in fact know "the truth" comes from the Bible itself. If we throw that away, the secular arguments have a clear advantage. Perhaps you can address why you think that the arguments in scripture carry little weight in this debate.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 116 of 133 (852993)
05-21-2019 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by PaulK
05-21-2019 12:26 PM


Re: Throwing Out The Baby(in the manger) With The Bathwater
PaulK writes:
I hate arguing with videos. If you think that there are any good points in there, care to put them up for examination?
I'll get around to it later. I need to take a nap before work.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 118 of 133 (852998)
05-21-2019 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Faith
05-21-2019 1:19 PM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Faith writes:
Further evidence is recognizing the validity of the traditional understanding done by others who are also born again and have spiritual discernment and despising the work of mere fleshly scholars. I'm sure there's more.
Personally, I prefer saying that I minimize the work of secular scholars as less important or convincing based on the zeitgeist of the situation. I would hardly say that I despise such people. After all, they are lost, in my opinion. They know not what they do. Thus...despising them is not very Christian of me.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 123 of 133 (853085)
05-22-2019 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Aussie
05-15-2019 12:04 PM


Re: Thugzy Unplugged
My aim is to break the mold...to be controversial

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 125 of 133 (853101)
05-22-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Tangle
05-22-2019 11:03 AM


Re: Thugzy Unplugged
Well, I AM a believer, after all. You can't expect me to present my worldview under the guise of atheistic secular humanism. What I will do is to compare and contrast various ideologies and belief systems while not waffling on my own beliefs. Many of our conversations at EvC will be brought to life through some of my video commentaries. You have always claimed that I am delusional, but quite frankly the jury is still out as to which of us is actually deluded. No disrespect intended, Tangle. I know that you are of sound mind and are logical and rational.
Admittedly my beliefs are not logical in the context of modern psychological and sociological thought. But alas....I won't give them up for that reason.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 126 of 133 (853271)
05-24-2019 11:52 AM


Plugging EvC Forum
I mentioned EvC in my video today. We may get some new visitors.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

  
Phat
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Message 127 of 133 (853891)
06-02-2019 4:11 AM


Dr.Timothy Keller & Apologeticss
Comments are welcome. I know that ringo and jar despise all apologists, but these days I am unafraid to explore the opinions and beliefs of others though I will say that Im not going to treat all beliefs the same since I have already been persuaded by the Christian World View---thus to be fair, I am biased.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.
Edited by Phat, : updated

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

  
Phat
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Message 128 of 133 (855303)
06-18-2019 3:40 PM


On the way to the mall
I was on the way to the mall with Vidal to help him get his cap. God has been very good to us and we expect to become known to a wider and wider audience as time commences.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 130 of 133 (855308)
06-18-2019 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Tangle
06-18-2019 3:59 PM


Re: On the way to the mall
Lets go fishing, Tangle. Lots of big ones jumping around out there.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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