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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: Good question.
if there was such a plane, how would you know about it? 1 Cor 2:6-16 writes: Thus, the idea that we humans can in fact know "the truth" comes from the Bible itself. If we throw that away, the secular arguments have a clear advantage. Perhaps you can address why you think that the arguments in scripture carry little weight in this debate.
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." 10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Assuming you have some special capability that lets you be magically right no matter where the evidence points is the opposite of critical thinking. And that is exactly what you are doing. No wonder you get it wrong so often.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You should try reading it. The very next verse is:
That may be so but that passage nevertheless is about sin and not about doctrine.quote:"Pearls before swine" has more to do with doctrine than sin. Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But how do you know that the Bible knows what it's talking about? You're using the Bible's words on spirituality to back up the Bible's concept of spirituality.
Thus, the idea that we humans can in fact know "the truth" comes from the Bible itself. Phat writes:
Because it's a circular argument. Perhaps you can address why you think that the arguments in scripture carry little weight in this debate.Izquierdo.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I hate arguing with videos. If you think that there are any good points in there, care to put them up for examination ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Help me with my Beam while we put your splinter on the back burner!As verse 5 says, "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Priorities.Izquierdo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't assume it, I know it from the evidence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Sermon on the Mount is a list of principles, and in that case one has succeeded the other and isn't to be taken as continuing it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
But there isn't an abrupt change from verse to verse. There's a theme. The Sermon on the Mount is a list of principles, and in that case one has succeeded the other and isn't to be taken as continuing it. Verses 1-2 are about judging, not sin specifically. Verses 3-5 are about discernment, which is necessary for good judgement. Verse 6 is about casting pearls (of wisdom, not sin) before swine. Verses 7-10 are about honestly giving what is asked for. Verse 11 is again about discerning how to give good gifts to your children. Verse 15 is about false prophets, who feed you your false doctrines. Then there's good fruits and so on. You can't just cherry-pick your "meaning" out of the middle.Izquierdo.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Really ? Because you haven’t mentioned any evidence. At all. Even when I asked. So what is this “evidence” ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
PaulK writes: I'll get around to it later. I need to take a nap before work. I hate arguing with videos. If you think that there are any good points in there, care to put them up for examination?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I gave the evidence for having spiritual discernment as the change of heart from coldness toward God and the things of God to loving God and loving His word. I can add the fact that there really is a "peace that passes understanding" that comes over me when I think of biblical truths of many kinds, think of God Himself, of Jesus. That is evidence. Also using it because you can't use it unless you recognize that it's there, and that's evidence. Further evidence is recognizing the validity of the traditional understanding done by others who are also born again and have spiritual discernment, and despising the work of mere fleshly scholars. I'm sure there's more.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Faith writes: Personally, I prefer saying that I minimize the work of secular scholars as less important or convincing based on the zeitgeist of the situation. I would hardly say that I despise such people. After all, they are lost, in my opinion. They know not what they do. Thus...despising them is not very Christian of me. Further evidence is recognizing the validity of the traditional understanding done by others who are also born again and have spiritual discernment and despising the work of mere fleshly scholars. I'm sure there's more.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You misread. I said I despise their WORK.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Oh, you mean like twisting the Bible to justify your bigotry ?
quote: It’s not evidence that you are right.
quote: It’s circular. If your claim to be right is based on your alleged “spiritual discernment” you can’t turn around and say it is evidence that you do have “spiritual discernment”. That’s only evidence of your irrationality.
quote: Only if they’re right. And I guess that goes into more circularity.
quote: Then you’d better start looking for it.
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