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Faith writes: Bundy had the ability to come across as completely normal, was somebody people *****, seemed to be a kind and thoughtful and empathetic person. He had all kinds of psychological tests in prison and they found nothing frankly pathological although they did come up with some interesting characteristics we can discuss. You may want to check out another Netflix series called "Mindhunter". It is based on real FBI agents who were the first to tackle the phenomena of serial killers. They start out by interviewing many different serial killers and they find some interesting commonalities. The series probably isn't completely accurate, but it's a good watch. What I think you will find is that these types of killers are pathological, but they are able to hide it. That's what makes them so creepy.
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Faith writes: I put Mindhunter on my Netflix list. It's fiction, though, right? I'll watch some of it anyway. It's "based on a true story".
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Faith writes:
So maybe it seems to make more sense just to dismiss the dogs' behavior as nothing unusual. I guess that has to be accepted as a reasonable conclusion.
Dogs bark at strangers all of the time. I would also assume that there are many serial killers who had dogs of their own who loved them and were loved back.
My own take remains the same of course. I think the dogs' behavior was described as definitely unusual for them in the contexts given so I'm looking for something to explain it in terms of what they might have sensed in Bundy, and the only thing that makes sense to me is that he probably had a demon, I think it is much more likely that people read more into dramatic events than in their everyday lives. Bundy may have passed 50 dogs, but if someone remembers just 1 dog barking at Bundy they will remember that more and exaggerate it in their mind because it is linked to Bundy. Humans are actually poor witnesses because our emotions at the time of an event can drastically color our memories.
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Faith writes: The three dogs in question were said to be acting in an unusual way toward Bundy, that they were not the sort of dogs that snarled -- not just barked, snarled and growled -- at strangers, and the event in each case was noted as unusual AT THE TIME, not just in retrospect. The drama of that event may have colored how the witnesses viewed that event. Happens all of the time. I have had dogs that love women but hate men, and sometimes they barked at different people for no apparent reason. Dogs barking at people is hardly extraordinary, and it certainly isn't much of a platform to leap to the conclusion of demons.
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Faith writes: Again you generalize without taking into account anything I've said, I took it all into account. Anecdotal accounts are not very reliable in these types of situations. If you are interested, John Wayne Gasey had dogs that he was very close to. There is also the sad story of the dog named Bleep:
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Faith writes: But three grown dogs defending their owners or just meeting him for the first time didn't take kindly to him. Their hostility was striking to those who witnessed the encounter, two of whom knew their dogs well, one of whom was not treated with hostility by the same dog that snarled at Bundy. That happens all of the time with all dogs and all people.
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Faith writes: Funny, then, that the people who witnessed these incidents and probably knew dogs as well as you know dogs, especially their own, didn't dismiss them as what happens all the time with all dogs and all people, but regarded them as distinctly unusual. They did so after the fact. Again, memories are colored by the present. You can say that they "noticed it at the time" but those claims are well after the event. The Mandela effect is pretty weird.
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Faith writes: Maybe you'll read further and discover I covered it pretty well. If not maybe I'll get back to it later. Maybe you use some simple logic. "I noted it at the time" said months or years after the events is not "noting it at the time". Unless you have diary entries, police statements, or news reports from that very day it is a memory. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Faith writes: "Noted it at the time" means it struck them as unusual at the time and later they remember being struck at the time with its unusualness. They remember being struck at the time, but that doesn't mean they actually were. Memories are a funny thing.
I can think of some events in my past, even back in my childhood, that I "noted at the time" for being a special kind of event, maybe a traumatic event. It's a common experience. Have you heard of the Mandela effect?
quote: Many people swear they remember Mandela dying in the 1980's, even remembering the funeral. People have false memories. It happens. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith writes: The interesting thing is that *they* have false memories, but you never do. I have had many false memories. That's why I look for objective evidence instead of relying on memory.
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Faith writes: But remember there were THREE separate people who had THREE separate impressions of dogs behaving in an UNUSUALLY hostile way toward Ted Bundy when they didn't treat others that way. As I said, I'm still accepting these accounts as likely true. Thousands,perhaps millions, of people thought Mandela died in the 1980's, even remembering his funeral. It wasn't true.
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