Some states protect women's rights

With Alabama's anti-abortion law in the news lately, the New York Times ran an article describing some states where officials are working to protect women's health and reproductive choices. As Some States Limit Abortion, Others Move to Protect Abortion RightsThe article mentions a couple of governors who will veto anti-choice legislation passed by their state legislatures, Nevada repealing a law prohibiting a woman from terminating her own pregnancy, and a couple of other items.But taking center stage is Vermont passing a law that prohibits the government from interfering in any way with a woman's choice. Vermont has also completed the first step in a lengthy process to amend the state constitution "that would declare 'personal reproductive autonomy' to be a fundamental right."

Yes there are still those who think there is a right to kill a healthy developing child. No wonder the nation is under God's judgment.

An embryo is not a child, Faith.

A fetus is not a child, Faith.

To Coragyps and Pressie: That's just a silly rationalization. Would you kill a toddler because it isn't yet an adult? So why would you kill an embryo or a fetus that is inexorably going to become a child if you don't kill it? It's got ALL the genetic material the child will have, it's just in an earlier stage of development. I know you feel better about killing it because of that but you are kidding yourself.AND BESIDES, most abortions are done after it LOOKS LIKE a child, maybe a tiny child but indisputably a child, a human being, and plenty are done well past the tiny child point when you really can't ignore the fact that it's a child.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I did a very quick internet search. Most abortions in the US are preformed before the 8th week. And the pictures I've seen of an 8 week fetus doesn't really look like a human child to me. I admit, though, that this may depend on how hard one wants it to "look like" or "not look like" a child.- This may just be me, but all the claims the religious right makes about fetuses being "babies" always sound like rationalizations to me.

Really? Really? That is your argument. You know as well as anyone else that the two things are not analogous.
If you do not have any real arguments then quit wasting our time.

That's surprising, but OK. Nevertheless a fetus is genetically a full human being so it's not an empty rationalization to call it a child. Why does someone have an abortion anyway? Because she KNOWS it's a child and for whatever reason doesn't want a child at this time. She isn't going to have a fetus, she's going to have a child if she doesn't abort it. Calling it a fetus or an embryo really is just a way to avoid the truth.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Often it's because she knows she can't give the potential child the quality of life that it deserves - and our society isn't going to give her much help. The people who claim to be "pro-life" are too busy persecuting women to give a damn about the lives they are "saving".

1. The concern that she's not able to care for a child isn't much of a justification for killing it.2. With all the services available these days, both public and private, it's not TOO hard to get help, but if all else fails isn't adoption preferable to killing it?3. Pro-life people run all kinds of services all over the country to help pregnant women so your snark is unwarranted. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's not a child. Read your Bible. But even if it was, of course its future welfare should be a concern. And yet it often is. It isn't your decision to make for everybody else. And yet it isn't enough. So your opinion that women have abortions for fun definitely needs to be snarked at.

In Alabama? Bullshit!Asshole Republicans all around the country vote to restrict access to birth control for poor women.Asshole republicans all around the country vote to eliminate the safety net for poor children to punish poor women for being poor.Asshole Republicans vote to take away benefits and health care from poor mothers if they are not working, even if their salary is too low to pay for childcare, let alone buy food and put a roof over their heads.[blatant snark]Calling them prolife is total fucking bullshit.[/blatant snark]Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

Wherever services are inadequate I recommend that prolifers beef them up.

There's room for a lot of beef. But that doesn't seem to be their priority, or yours. One thing you could do that is constructive and cheap is to stop calling them murderers.

And yet, that never happens in red states or from a Republican controlled Congress, ever.