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edge
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Message 1036 of 1385 (853050)
05-22-2019 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1031 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:21 PM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
Inexplicable gaps and sudden appearances of novel creatures in the fossil record - insects, for example.
But as we have discussed, they are explicable.
Certainly more so by natural means than by your aliens which are not supported by any evidence.

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Message 1037 of 1385 (853052)
05-22-2019 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1032 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:26 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Ah yes, but fossils don't confirm that Darwinian evolution is responsible for that progression.
But that wasn't the question was it?
You asked:
Where are the missing links between the Ediacaran fauna all the novel phyla that appeared during the Cambrian explosion?
If you want me to answer a different question, you should ask it.
Or was this just a typical YEC evasion?

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Message 1038 of 1385 (853053)
05-22-2019 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1029 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:16 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
What the evolutionary ancestors of a trilobite? Algae? Bacteria?
Are Ediacaran fauna algae or bacteria?
What do you think you are trying to say?

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edge
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Message 1039 of 1385 (853054)
05-22-2019 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1034 by Dredge
05-21-2019 11:12 PM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
The "incomplete fossil record" excuse is running out of puff ...
Except that it makes sense in not relying on some fanciful, unsupported mechanism such as aliens.
... - Gunter Bechly considers the fossil record to be "saturated" - meaning, we have enough fossil evidence now to conclude that the record is complete in a general sense.
That's a nice opinion.
Would you like to hear some others?
That is to say, the gaps and sudden appearances will always be gaps and sudden appearances.
Yes, gaps explainable by known aspects of the fossil record.
If you had any experience with science, you would understand. But this way, I suppose you are not constrained by facts and you can make up whatever you want.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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Message 1040 of 1385 (853056)
05-22-2019 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1029 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:16 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Dredge writes:
What the evolutionary ancestors of a trilobite? Algae? Bacteria?
He-he-he. None of the above. You really, really have to study even a bit of Biology.

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Message 1041 of 1385 (853078)
05-22-2019 10:28 AM
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05-21-2019 10:18 PM


Re: NO evidence of aliens
AZPaul3 writes:
Fossils give us great big clues to what happened and when
I agree - but fossils don't tell us HOW.
And just casually ignore the next sentence. Typical YEC.
quote:
Then there is the genetic data, by the dredge-load, that more that very nicely verifies, challenges/changes, and fills in the rest of the gospel according to ToE.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1042 of 1385 (853084)
05-22-2019 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1025 by Dredge
05-21-2019 9:20 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
I'm not a YEC
Yes, you are.
You're a poof majik goddoneit creationist.
Old young, makes no difference.
Like maroon and burgundy. Both are red regardless of how you split the hairs.
You are a YEC.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1043 of 1385 (853086)
05-22-2019 10:38 AM
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05-22-2019 10:36 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
He isn't a YEC, he believes in an old earth. Yes it matters.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1044 of 1385 (853087)
05-22-2019 10:53 AM
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05-21-2019 10:16 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Dredge writes:
Tanyptyerx writes:
Curious that all this is incorrect. You have presented no evidence that contradicts the ToE. Which "novel" phyla?
What the evolutionary ancestors of a trilobite? Algae? Bacteria?
Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking here.
I will ask again, which novel phyla are you talking about?

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1045 of 1385 (853089)
05-22-2019 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1043 by Faith
05-22-2019 10:38 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
Faith writes:
He isn't a YEC, he believes in an old earth. Yes it matters.
I agree, it helps identify the degree of crazy. True YEC is up there with the flat earthers. On the scale of moronic, YEC is the full 10.
This guy is also a 10, though for different reasons.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tanypteryx
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Message 1046 of 1385 (853095)
05-22-2019 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1030 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:18 PM


Re: NO evidence of aliens
Dredge writes:
AZPaul3 writes:
Fossils give us great big clues to what happened and when
I agree - but fossils don't tell us HOW.
And that does not contradict what the fossils DO tell us.
I know you are unaware of this, but science makes no claim to having ALL knowledge. Scientists are adding knowledge all the time.
That's why there is science and scientists, because there are still questions to answer.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1047 of 1385 (853098)
05-22-2019 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1032 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:26 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Dredge writes:
Ah yes, but fossils don't confirm that Darwinian evolution is responsible for that progression.
And they certainly don't refute that evolution is responsible for that progression. Science has moved well beyond Darwinian evolution and I am unaware of anyone bothering to "confirm Darwinian evolution" today.
Dredge writes:
And insects appearing out of nowhere, for example, is hardly evidence of Darwinian evolution.
Well, it is not evidence of anything, because insects DO NOT appear out of nowhere.
Dredge writes:
Other huge gaps in the fossil record don't support Darwinism - they contradict it.
But they DO NOT contradict evolution.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1048 of 1385 (853099)
05-22-2019 11:59 AM
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05-22-2019 10:38 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
Faith writes:
He isn't a YEC, he believes in an old earth.
There is a mathematical difference, like the difference between killing one person and two people. But they're both equally wrong, like 2+2=3 and 2+2=5.

Izquierdo.

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edge
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Message 1049 of 1385 (853100)
05-22-2019 12:00 PM
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05-22-2019 10:38 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
He isn't a YEC, he believes in an old earth. Yes it matters.
IIRC, Dredge has referred several times to the biblical genealogy as some kind of evidence. How does that square with billions of years?

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Message 1050 of 1385 (853103)
05-22-2019 12:10 PM
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05-22-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
I don't know how he puts it all together, he just seems to believe in an old earth and to some extent in evolution too. If I'm wrong I hope he'll come by and explain his views better.

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