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ringo
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Message 241 of 438 (853414)
05-27-2019 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
05-26-2019 10:31 PM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
foreveryoung writes:
Is a leprechaun all knowing, all powerful and existing outside of time and space?
Is your God? The only "information" you have about your God is:
1. in the Bible, which is inconsistent and unverifiable.
2. made up by theologians and apologists to try to fix the inconsistencies in the Bible
3. made up by you

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 242 of 438 (853417)
05-27-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Faith
05-27-2019 11:40 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
Faith writes:
jar writes:
First, man not God, wrote the Bible.
Not according to the Bible itself, as held by traditionalists.
Treasure Island claims to have been written by Jim Hawkins (with a chapter added by Dr. Livesey for clarity). It's an old literary trick. You can't use the book as evidence for the book.

Izquierdo.

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foreveryoung
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Message 243 of 438 (853423)
05-27-2019 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Theodoric
05-27-2019 10:28 AM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
I just showed that the claims made for the biblical God and a leprechaun are nothing alike. Now it seems you are saying the claims for the FSM are exactly those made for God. Is that correct.

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jar
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Message 244 of 438 (853427)
05-27-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Faith
05-27-2019 11:40 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
And once again you simply support the position that you are totally disconnected from reality and willfully ignorant. You support the position of your cult over the reality.
The fact is that there are many Bibles, the smallest Canon containing only 5 books, the largest containing over 80 books. That is simply fact Faith.
No one questions the Fact that your "Traditionalists" willfully deny reality.

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foreveryoung
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Message 245 of 438 (853430)
05-27-2019 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by jar
05-27-2019 12:12 PM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
I support what the bible clearly says. Make your case if you have anything else other than insults.

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ringo
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Message 246 of 438 (853431)
05-27-2019 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 12:09 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
foreveryoung writes:
I just showed that the claims made for the biblical God and a leprechaun are nothing alike.
No you didn't. You made an empty claim.

Izquierdo.

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foreveryoung
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Message 247 of 438 (853433)
05-27-2019 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by ringo
05-27-2019 12:25 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
So leprechauns are eternal and all powerful and exist outside of space and time?
Who says that besides you?

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Message 248 of 438 (853434)
05-27-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 1:01 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
the book of leprechauns

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jar
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Message 249 of 438 (853435)
05-27-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 12:23 PM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
foreveryoung writes:
I support what the bible clearly says.
Yet the facts remain:
The fact is that there are many Bibles, the smallest Canon containing only 5 books, the largest containing over 80 books.
Does the Bible say that God walked with and talked with and made clothes for Adam & Eve? If so, then the Bible says God exists within time and space.
Does the Bible say that God wrestled with Jacob all night without defeating him? If so, then the Bible says God is not all powerful.
Does the Bible say that God came down to Earth and went WalkAbout to find out if the stories He had heard about Sodom and Gomorrah were true? If so the God is not all knowing.

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foreveryoung
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Message 250 of 438 (853436)
05-27-2019 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by DrJones*
05-27-2019 1:09 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
There is no such book.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 251 of 438 (853437)
05-27-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 1:01 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
foreveryoung writes:
So leprechauns are eternal and all powerful and exist outside of space and time?
Who says that besides you?
The question is, why should we think your claims about your God are any different? This "eternal" and "all-powerful" and "outside of space and time" business is all made up. There is no factual basis for it. Even the Bible doesn't really support it. So why can't we make up the same nonsense about leprechauns?

Izquierdo.

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foreveryoung
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Message 252 of 438 (853438)
05-27-2019 1:20 PM


Jar says:
Does the Bible say that God walked with and talked with and made clothes for Adam & Eve? If so, then the Bible says God exists within time and space.
He can act within space and time as he did with adam and eve. But, at the same time he was "walking" with the first couple, he was also speaking to joan of arc in 1428 in dom'remy France through his Angel's. Acting in one particular space and time does not rule out his existence outside of space and time. If he was confined to space and time, he would still be walking around on the planet. It's pretty hard to miss a supreme being in his essence.

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foreveryoung
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Message 253 of 438 (853439)
05-27-2019 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by ringo
05-27-2019 1:17 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
There are not 66 books that refer to leprechauns spread out over thousands of years. They are mentioned in fairytales that make no pretense of speaking of reality. These 66 books refer to actual places and people and events. All of them reference the God of abraham. Your claim is that all these authors made it up out of thin air. Can you provide a case that it's so based on actual evidence?

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DrJones*
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Message 254 of 438 (853440)
05-27-2019 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 1:12 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
There is no such book.
you only say that because you don't believe in leprechauns. IF you truly believed the truth would present itself to you.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 255 of 438 (853441)
05-27-2019 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 1:28 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
foreveryoung writes:
There are not 66 books that refer to leprechauns spread out over thousands of years.
Sure there are, even if they haven't all been bound together in one volume. And the only reason the Bible books were ever gathered together was because somebody believed something. Belief in something is not evidence that that something is real.
foreveryoung writes:
They are mentioned in fairytales that make no pretense of speaking of reality.
"Pretense" is not exactly a good defense for your claim. A lot of books pretend to speak of reality but don't - e.g. Treasure Island. And of course there are things in the Bible that don't pretend to correspond to reality - e.g. the talking snake.
foreveryoung writes:
These 66 books refer to actual places and people and events.
Treasure Island refers to Bristol, a real place. It also mentions Captain Kidd and Blackbeard, real pirates, as well as real 18th-century historical events.
foreveryoung writes:
Your claim is that all these authors made it up out of thin air. Can you provide a case that it's so based on actual evidence?
You have it backwards. We don't assume that an entire book is true just because it mentions some real people, places or events. Everything must pass its own individual truth test. And of course your God can't.

Izquierdo.

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