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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know you thought hard about it, and I know you didn't and don't regard it as a child even though you use that word, but since it was a child, if you could see it as a child, you would have to go into mourning for it, as I did for my aborted child twenty years after the fact when I finally faced that it was a child. In my case I'd even had a dream a few days after the abortion of a small child, maybe two years old, waving to me out of the back window of a hearse and I still didn't mourn, I just thought it was an interesting dream. It took seeing babies in the womb in a movie, very early fetuses even, to come to mourn it. Even thinking of it now makes me cry. I know, however, as King David knew about his baby with Bathsheba, that I will meet that child in the presence of Jesus after I die. Nevertheless it still makes me cry to think about it.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
I guess if I don't like my liver I could ask to have it cut out of me
right you could ask that (you'd have to find a doctor willing) because it's your body, you have sovereignty over your body.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
yeah I guess there's nothing too bizarre to give as an example for the Izquierdo.
I keep thinking how a real newborn baby elicits a love from the mother that in most cases is never felt in this llfe in any other context. It was to me an amazing experience. I had had an easy pregnancy but I think that love would have made up for any degree of discomfort emotional or physical. Not all new mothers have this experience but I know many who do. If this is "Nature's" motivation for taking care of babies it certainly works. I couldn't feel that for my llver. But then I'd be dead anyway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 349 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
I know you thought hard about it, and I know you didn't and don't regard it as a child even though you use that word, I use that word because that is exactly how I think about him. He was a child, a person, a human... and I killed him by choice because I thought that was the best option. The least amount of suffering. What i didn't choose was the list of options.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You could not kill a real child, I simply cannot believe you. You've talked yourself into this but not faced the reality of what a child is. When you first saw your other children as newborns, could you have killed them?
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 349 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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Picture your newborn child with some affliction that you could not overcome. Picture your newborn child suffering in agony only to die after you have exhausted your every effort. Picture yourself helpless and impotent and responsible.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I would say, yes, there is a definite difference. Childbirth is a natural procedure that women have been going through for quite a long time. Your mother went through it, probably. Removing a kidney requires a deliberate act. It won't happen if you just sit around and do nothing. Aren’t they the same ethically? Aren't these both examples of others determining what you can do with your body? In one case, to keep a wanted part in, in the other, to have an unwanted part removed. But the operator of the body, the soul that has to face the consequences that result from that action, does not get to decide? As for what my mother went through, I don't know. I don't remember being there. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
In the case of childbirth, what "others" are "determining what you can do with your body?" Nature? Until very recently abortion wasn't even possible anyway. Oh forget it I'm tired of arguing for the obvious in this environment.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
On her way out the door Faith told another easily refuted untruth.
Until very recently abortion wasn't even possible anyway. quote: History of abortion - WikipediaFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
In the case of childbirth, what "others" are "determining what you can do with your body?" Your political party as influenced by your church.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Picture your newborn child with some affliction that you could not overcome. Picture your newborn child suffering in agony only to die after you have exhausted your every effort. Picture yourself helpless and impotent and responsible. If that was your situation then I am truly sympathetic with your plight. That is THE situation that I would find the hardest to llve with, that would make abortion seem the best most humane option for all concerned. I don't think I could support abortion in the end anyway, but I have to say I'd have to think and pray it through a thousand times before I could decide, and I could never criticize anyone who chose that solution. Of all the reasons people give for abortion that is the only one that is persuasive to me. Thanks for describing it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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That and the health and life of the mother are the reason for all late term abortions.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And yet you support the idea of the government telling you you can't do it. ... I'd have to think and pray it through a thousand times before I could decide, and I could never criticize anyone who chose that solution.Izquierdo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually I'd rather persuade people that they don't really want to kill their child than get the government involved in any of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I seriously doubt that. A very few perhaps but in those cases you could save the llfe of the child, which is certainly viable in the third trimester. You don't have to kill it.
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