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Topic: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 646 of 1385 (851760)
05-01-2019 4:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 645 by Faith
05-01-2019 4:22 PM
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Re: Just to interject the YEC floodist view
Faith writes: AND that nobody has offered a pathway for getting genetic changes from one species genome to that of another species although I've asked and asked.
Since nobody has ever demonstrated a barrier, there's no need to offer a pathway.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 653 of 1385 (851767)
05-01-2019 5:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 651 by Faith
05-01-2019 5:11 PM
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Re: Just to interject the YEC floodist view
Faith writes: I have as a matter of fact demonstrated a barrier in how breeds develop by "using up" genetic variation, which is most apparent in "purebreds." That is a natural outcome of selection processes whether domestic or "natural,"
On the contrary, artificial selection arbitrarily decides what characteristics are "desirable". It deliberately throws away mutations, shrinking the gene pool. There is no such limitation on natural selection. Every mutation gets its chance to succeed.
Faith writes: To get from a species to another species would require genetic changes beyond those built into the genome, and that can't happen...
What I'm asking you is to SHOW that it can't happen, not just assert. You have to show an actual mechanism in the chemistry of the DNA.
Faith writes: ... or if it could it would require so much trial and error it could only produce millions of monsters before it could produce one viable new trait not possessed by the original genome.
There's plenty of time for that. You can't use your erroneous ideas about the age of the earth to back up your erroneous ideas about evolution. That's circular. Edited by ringo, : Spealing.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 655 of 1385 (851770)
05-01-2019 5:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 654 by Faith
05-01-2019 5:35 PM
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Re: Just to interject the YEC floodist view
Faith writes: Too tedious to argue about all this here right now.
Yes, that's your classic run-away strategy. Soon enough you'll be back making the same old same old claims and also claiming that you answered the rebuttals. Let this be a record that you didn't.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 759 of 1385 (852044)
05-06-2019 12:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 756 by Faith
05-06-2019 11:23 AM
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Re: Restating the question
Faith writes: You think it's possible so the burden is on you to show it....
There is no "burden" on anybody to show anything to a blind person.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 845 of 1385 (852236)
05-08-2019 4:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 843 by Faith
05-08-2019 4:24 PM
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Re: Restating the question
Faith writes: They're either humans God made as humans or they are something else God made to be something else.
It's not very long ago that your lot called them "fake fossils".
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 851 of 1385 (852250)
05-08-2019 5:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 850 by Faith
05-08-2019 5:07 PM
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Re: Restating the question
Faith writes: Eight human beings made it to the ark, three couples capable of reproducing, and any of those on your list that are true humans came from those three couples.
Wouldn't it make more sense to put them before the flood? Wiped out by the flood?
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 876 of 1385 (852289)
05-08-2019 6:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 873 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:35 PM
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Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
Dredge writes: The best scientific explanation for fossil record is genetic engineering performed by aliens...
Mr. Occam would call that an "unnecessary enity". It is far from scientific.
Dredge writes: ... this amounts to powerful scientific evidence of the existence of advanced aliens.
No more than it points to the existence of scientifically advanced unicorns.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 887 of 1385 (852313)
05-08-2019 7:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 885 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:43 PM
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Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
Dredge writes: Mr. Occan is both right and wrong: "right" because all explanations for the fossil record are "unnecessary".
Occam's Razor is about the entities IN the explanation. It says nothing about the value of the explanation itself.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 933 of 1385 (852418)
05-10-2019 12:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 918 by Dredge
05-09-2019 7:38 PM
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Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes: I still don't see any connection either....
Y'know, the proverb "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" isn't about horses.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1048 of 1385 (853099)
05-22-2019 11:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 1043 by Faith
05-22-2019 10:38 AM
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Re: Progressive Creation
Faith writes: He isn't a YEC, he believes in an old earth.
There is a mathematical difference, like the difference between killing one person and two people. But they're both equally wrong, like 2+2=3 and 2+2=5.
Izquierdo.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1091 of 1385 (853518)
05-28-2019 11:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 1085 by Dredge
05-28-2019 12:54 AM
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Re: The Evidence Screams For Validation
Dredge writes: If that were true, you would have accepted my "aliens" theory, which is clearly scientifically superior to the nineteenth-century evolution story you can't let go of.
If it was "clearly scientifically superior", it would be clear to scientists and not just schoolboys.
Izquierdo.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1128 of 1385 (853749)
05-31-2019 12:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 1118 by Dredge
05-31-2019 12:14 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes: Do you have any idea of the calibre of human you're talking to?
About .12 caliber.
Izquierdo.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1206 of 1385 (854349)
06-07-2019 12:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 1197 by Dredge
06-07-2019 2:04 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes: But really, a civilization that's too stupid to even reproduce in sufficient numbers doesn't deserve to survive.
Excuse me? Are you suggesting that there are not enough people for human civilization to survive? I think you might have counted wrong.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1215 of 1385 (854409)
06-08-2019 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 1211 by Dredge
06-08-2019 1:01 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes: ... consider what's happening in Japan. It's quickly heading for disaster due to its dangerously low birth-rate.
First, you suggested that "civilization" wouldn't survive. Did you mean only Japan? Second, have you ever heard of immigration? Maybe Japan will fail due to insufficient immigration.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1230 of 1385 (854513)
06-09-2019 2:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 1217 by Dredge
06-09-2019 2:34 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes: You're assuming the birth-rates of the immigrants will be healthy. But what if the immigrant women are brainwashed by feminism as well? They won't reproduce in sufficient numbers either.
My assumption is based on facts - i.e. past history. Yours is based on a stupid misconception about feminism.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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