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Author Topic:   More Right Wing terrorism in the US
PaulK
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Message 85 of 153 (851643)
04-30-2019 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
04-29-2019 8:33 PM


Re: Another Synagogue Shooting - In San Diego
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I guess a crazed right winger could hate Trump too.
Sane right-wingers could - and do - oppose him, too.
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Anyone who could say that is totally out of touch. In the first place I haven't heard a true account of anything to do with Trump from the mainstream press in three years.
Sure you have. You just lie about them and call them “Fake News”.
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The Right, all of us, all tens of millions of us, have known for those three years now that the media put out nothing but politically motivated lies in the hope of bringing down Trump
I disagree. I do not think that all the Right are liars who want the Press to be a pro-Trump propaganda machine as part of their plan to destroy freedom in the U.S.
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Freedom of the Press is a rotting corpse thanks to the Left.
By which you mean you want to murder Freedom of the Press.
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Odd you don't have the slightest clue to any of that.
Oh I know that the Right has many evil liars who want to destroy freedom. I just don’t agree with them. There’s nothing odd in that (well, you probably think that it’s odd to disagree with evil liars but that’s just you)
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Bringing down Trump and helping the American people by lying to them and trying to influence them to hate Trump too, yes, that's what they do
How about protecting the healthcare system ? Trump and the Republicans are messing things up there. And there are plenty of other examples.
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That's not the job of a free press, that's what political activists do.
You seem to have missed that that section was referring to “the Left” in general, which would obviously be more focussed on actual political activists than the media.
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No more free press but a media stuffed with political activists. No more America. Long gone barring a miracle.
I guess you think that the Watergate reporting was evil political activism, too. Sorry, but a Free Press is one that is allowed to print things you don’t like. You are the one who wants to end it
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No I meant exactly what I said. Trump would be the salvation of the nation except for the Leftists, God has given us that much mercy. My anger is placed exactly where it should be.
Oh. You really do think that Trump is the Anti-Christ.

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PaulK
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Message 100 of 153 (851674)
04-30-2019 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
04-30-2019 12:37 PM


Correcting Faith
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There has never been such a divide in this country as now exists
Largely thanks to the hate-monger’s of the Right. I am sure that you are very proud of it.
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...with the seething hatred...
Coming from Trump’s supporters, as you have so amply demonstrated.
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...the vicious lies...
Spoken by Trump and many of his supporters (the latter, again, amply demonstrated by you)
Trump...
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...is more likely to destroy the liberal democratic republic than be mitigated by it
Or at least that is what you hope for. I do not forget your railing against any court that dares to come to a decision you dislike - without ever considering the law, nor the facts of the case.
Nor do I forget that your idea of justice is protecting the guilty on your side will using false accusations to persecute political opponents.
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The behavior o the...
The Right
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is far beyond anything we've ever seen before.
Perhaps.
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I don't see recovery as possible from such essentially anticivilized doings.
Again, that is what you hope.

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PaulK
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Message 113 of 153 (853523)
05-28-2019 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by foreveryoung
05-28-2019 2:19 PM


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Do you know what terrorism is?
Yes. Are you really going to suggest that someone who plants bombs isn’t a terrorist ?
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As for conservatism, is there any proof the bombs were intended to further the cause of conservatism or to specifically harm people who supposedly impede conservative ideals
What are you trying to say here ? Actually it looks like simple racism, which is a conservative cause. In his confession he gives no reason for choosing his targets, which argues against any personal motive.
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Were these 2 blacks the object of his hatred? Did he even know them?
Since one bomb was on the street and triggered by a tripwire it’s certain that that one wasn’t targeted at someone in particular. To the best of my knowledge there’s no evidence of any personal motive against any of the people targeted, either.

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PaulK
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Message 115 of 153 (853526)
05-28-2019 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by foreveryoung
05-28-2019 2:41 PM


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Racism is not a conservative cause. That's smearing a political group with false accusations.
It is certainly a right wing cause. And the far right seem to be accepted as conservatives these days.

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PaulK
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Message 121 of 153 (853532)
05-28-2019 3:02 PM
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05-28-2019 2:51 PM


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Here is terrorism....the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
I think that you will find that political aims - rather than the spreading of terror - is not essential.
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Setting off bombs with no political purpose is not terrorism.
It is an excellent way of spreading terror, so I disagree.

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Message 122 of 153 (853533)
05-28-2019 3:07 PM
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05-28-2019 2:58 PM


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Saying it is so doesnt make it so
But of course there is evidence. Breitbart cosying up to the “alt-right”. Laura Ingraham complaining about “demographic changes” on Fox News. Republicans in Congress objecting to investigation of far-right groups. Trump smearing Mexican immigrants - including legal immigrants - and getting cheered for it. And there is plenty more.
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Deep seated hatred for right wingers does not make it any more true. You are just emptying your bile.
Or you are just lying to cover up the racism in the conservative camp.

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Message 126 of 153 (853564)
05-28-2019 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by foreveryoung
05-28-2019 5:55 PM


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I can only take small doses of it. I certainly could not read a full page or two. The hate and rhetorical deceit is beyond my capacity
Then perhaps you can explain why you feel required to feel such hate and engage in rhetorical deceit. I certainly couldn’t.

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PaulK
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Message 128 of 153 (853640)
05-30-2019 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Faith
05-29-2019 9:33 PM


Then why is there no real discussion from your side ?
A self-described conservative who ran a bombing campaign in a mainly black and Latino neighbourhood can’t be called a terrorist unless we can establish a political motive ? How is that anything more than a “rhetorical deceit” ?
Why are there no answers to my pointing out examples where racism is part and parcel of the “conservative” message (and history has plenty more) ? (It doesn’t have to be any more than fiscal responsibility has to be, but - too often - it is)

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