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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
So you agree that governments shouldn't try to ban abortion. Good for you. Actually I'd rather persuade people that they don't really want to kill their child than get the government involved in any of it. Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.Izquierdo.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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A late term abortion is one performed between 21 and 24 weeks. Those are prior to viability. Aproximately 1% of abortions happen between 21 and 24 weeks. 24 weeks is point of viability, but survival rate is only about 50%.
Please provide examples of post 24 week abortions. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Late termination of pregnancy - Wikipedia
Late termination of pregnancy,also known as postviability abortion
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Let’s read a bit more, shall we ?
Late termination of pregnancy is more controversial than abortion in general because it results in the death of a fetus that is more developed and sometimes able to survive independently.
Late-term abortions are rare with about 1.3% of abortions taking place after the 21st week of pregnancy, and less than 1% occuring after 24 weeks.[4] Late-term abortions usually take place when the mother's health is at serious risk or when fatal abnormalities have been detected.[4]
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Gee Faith wouldn't cherry pick in order to make her argument actually seem plausible would she?
Yeah as always. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 616 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
But what is the difference between allowing a one week old post-fetus to starve and aborting a 39-week gestation pre-child?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 616 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
It's the difference between forcing a person to undertake a medical procedure for the purpose of keeping Sandy (the adult human who will die if you don't undergo the procedure) and requiring a person to refrain from undertaking a medical procedure that would result in the death of a fetus.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 616 days) Posts: 826 Joined:
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You say the procedure is "the last thing we wanted to do" and that just indicates the difficult ethical problems this entire issue involves.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Prototypical's situation is the ONLY one that presents ANY difficult ethical problems to my mind. If you have a healthy fetus and a healthy mother there is no justification whatever for abortion. If the mother's llfe is threatened abortion may be necessary but that's an extremely rare sitaution. In the case of a sick baby as described by Prototypical I can see the reasonableness of choosing abortion in that case. That just about sums up all the possibilities.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 616 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I'm not saying the law should prevent a woman from having an abortion, nor that the law should require someone to donate an organ. Those are both legal questions, not moral questions (and the latter makes one think of those doctors in communist China who can schedule heart transplants weeks in advance...)
But is there really no difference between allowing someone to keep a kidney and allowing someone to abort a 39-week gestation fetus?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 616 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
But here's where the reality meets the philosophical. Women have, from time to time, felt compelled to seek abortions in just those situations in which you see "no justification whatever" for abortion. The results, back in the day when abortion was illegal, were often horrific.
Putting aside the question of whether or not you think it is morally right for a woman to have an abortion in such a circumstance, what do you think the law should say about a woman going to a doctor and having the procedure done?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Do you have evidence of a 39 week child be aborted? Doesn't happen. Never happens. That would be a full term baby.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Not a whole lot. Is that a real choice faced by real people?
Probably. Then the question is why? Got any specific circumstances that could be examined?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
If you have a healthy fetus and a healthy mother there is no justification whatever for abortion. Except for the mother's desires. Her right to control her own personal physical integrity. Her personal liberty. I understand that isn't a concept you seem able to support but to some of us that *is* the defining concept.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
But is there really no difference between allowing someone to keep a kidney and allowing someone to abort a 39-week gestation fetus? We weren't talking about a 39-week abortion. That is at the extreme of the discussion and needs a separate treatment which I'm not wanting to do right now. Just the broader topic of abortion. I have difficulty understanding those who cannot see this as a personal bodily integrity issue. But as for a 39-week abortion, there is a reason Roe-v-Wade says what it says.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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