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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I'm having a difficult time understanding your question. I would have thought the answer would be clear from my earlier posts. In fact, the answer to your question is in the very post to which you are responding.
Added by edit: I should be more specific and point out that the answer to the question is probably in the last paragraph of the post to which you're responding.
End of addition. Is there something specific that's confusing you? Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you have a healthy fetus and a healthy mother there is no justification whatever for abortion. Except for the mother's desires. Her right to control her own personal physical integrity. Her personal liberty. I understand that isn't a concept you seem able to support but to some of us that *is* the defining concept. Yes, you absurdly and immorally put personal liberty above the llfe of another human being. Absurd and morally bankrupt. Our dependency on our parents doesn't stop in the womb you know. At any time they could declare their personal liberty from us and abandon us on a street corner to fend for ourselves. Or kill us. Some mothers have done that because their children got in the way of their personal freedom. We usually call them insane. Or murderers. The way to avoid this conflict is to avoid getting pregnant. It's not impossible, but gosh, that too requires us to give up our liberty, doesn't it? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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Yes, you absurdly and immorally put personal liberty above the llfe of another human being.
so you think the government should be able to force you to donate an organ to someone.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Tell that to a rape victim. And, of course, this is why contraception is one of the best ways to fight abortion. Perhaps you should ask yourself why so many “pro-life” people are against that. (Maybe it will even help if I point out that the Catholic Church has a lot to do with that).
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This kind of specious reasoning is dspicable. The baby is growing inside the woman already, she isn't forced to put it there. There are lots of organ donors, my organ is not required of me, but the only choice if I don't want to carry a baby is to KILL it. Do you understand the difference between having a choice not to supply something to someone else, and KILLING someone? I am responsible for the life growing inside me, I am NOT responsible for a person's life independent of me no matter what demented logic you follow.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It's not another human being. Even you have agreed that abortion is not murder, haven't you? Yes, you absurdly and immorally put personal liberty above the llfe of another human being.Izquierdo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh golly gosh. Yes dear, there is the rare case of a pregnancy due to rape where she can't control it. Always we make the rare case the standard around here don't we? Nevertheless in the general case I was talking about there is hypothetically the option of not getting pregnant. Sheesh the illogic around here could kill a person.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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There are lots of organ donors,
but not enough, there are always waiting lists. So under your thinking the government should be able to just grab people off the street and start pulling out organs. After all you believe that personal liberty should be overridden to preserve life.
The baby is growing inside the woman already, she isn't forced to put it there
not all pregnancies are by choice. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Fine. If you don't give your kidney to save someone it's the same as killing an unborn baby. Fine, have it your way all you nut cases that want to do nothing but obscure the point.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: No we don’t. But it is a case that must be considered and a case where many feel that exceptions should be allowed. So, are you going to say that women who get pregnant by rape should be forced to go through with the pregnancy despite the obvious stress ?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
If you don't give your kidney to save someone it's the same as killing an unborn baby
if that someone can't live without a kidney, yes, after all a life is a life according to you.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 349 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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You say the procedure is "the last thing we wanted to do" and that just indicates the difficult ethical problems this entire issue involves. The most difficult that I have ever had to face but ethical problems are personal in nature. Our ethics are a summary of the choices we make and having options restricted by legislation does not make one a more ethical person. I don't know what to say really. I am grateful, so to speak, for having had the option of the grim choice as it was the least detestable of all. The moral calculus that brought me to that conclusion belongs to me alone. Isn't that what ethical behaviour is all about?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Yes, you absurdly and immorally put personal liberty above the life of another human being. Yes. I do. That is the heart of this problem. To some of us personal liberty is worth a human life. Some of us are willing to give up our *own* lives to protect personal liberty from the excesses of intrusive politics. This is not just life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness we're talking about but right down to the most basic of rights to control one’s own body. If I decide it is in my best interests to not get cut open and donate my kidney and let the poor person on the other gurney die that is my decision, my decision alone. If I decide it is in my best interests to abort a 6-week fetus, for whatever myriad of reasons I use, that is my decision, my decision alone. You, your politics, your church, the legislature, majority opinion of the society, *no one* has any right to interfere in those decisions. The pursuit of liberty does not stop at the ballot box. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Either way, it's dictating healthcare to the person. It's the difference between forcing a person to undertake a medical procedure for the purpose of keeping Sandy (the adult human who will die if you don't undergo the procedure) and requiring a person to refrain from undertaking a medical procedure that would result in the death of a fetus.Izquierdo.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
When the "right" to kill a human being is called "liberty" I know the country has gone to Hell in a handbasket.
(I won't even venture to comment on the reversals and duplicity that attend the other discussions going on here today, but this is one day when everything here is so sickeningly upside down, with lles, llbel, illogic, partisan slime throwing called reasoning and worse it's hard to believe.) Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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