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ringo
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Message 91 of 286 (853633)
05-29-2019 4:49 PM
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05-29-2019 4:38 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Faith writes:

(I won't even venture to comment on the reversals and duplicity that attend the other discussions going on here today, but this is one day when everything here is so sickeningly upside down, with lles, llbel, illogic, partisan slime throwing called reasoning and worse it's hard to believe.)


That's a pretty left-handed way of "not commenting".

Izquierdo.

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PaulK
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Message 92 of 286 (853635)
05-29-2019 4:57 PM
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05-29-2019 4:49 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
I’m sure that she’s proud of it.

I also note that in this discussion Faith is unwilling to discuss the issue of contraception as a way of preventing abortion or the issue of exceptions for rape victims.


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AZPaul3
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Message 93 of 286 (853637)
05-29-2019 5:53 PM
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05-29-2019 4:38 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
but this is one day when everything here is so sickeningly upside down, with lles, llbel, illogic, partisan slime throwing called reasoning and worse it's hard to believe

No, Just a different tack on a relative morality.

You put a high value on the human life. This is good. This is as it should be.

But there are still some matters that are of greater value than a human life. Keeping the evil intentions of religion away from control over my body is one of them.

If you can order a unwilling woman to have a baby against her will then you will feel free to justify other intrusions. More encroachments. All gays must wear a big pink "P" branded into their foreheads. We have seen throughout history what a state can do to enslave the mind and the body. Wars have been fought over this issue.

And the only way to oppose those encroachments is to oppose every attempt the religiously-inspired state makes to control your body.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 94 of 286 (853671)
05-30-2019 5:44 PM
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05-29-2019 2:50 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
If you mean to be using "liberty" in the sense used by the American founders you are abusing the word. They certainly never meant to establish liberty from Nature or liberty from responsibility. The word as you are using it is a travesty. There is no liberty to kill a human being.

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Message 95 of 286 (853676)
05-30-2019 6:12 PM
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05-30-2019 5:44 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Faith writes:

If you mean to be using "liberty" in the sense used by the American founders you are abusing the word.

Many of the founding fathers owned slaves, so their opinions on liberty is quite suspect. Also, the founding fathers thought it best for each generation to govern themselves the way they see fit instead of rigidly following dogma laid down by them.


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DrJones*
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Message 96 of 286 (853677)
05-30-2019 6:18 PM
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05-30-2019 5:44 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
If you mean to be using "liberty" in the sense used by the American founders you are abusing the word.

and their view of liberty didn't include granting it to slaves, so fuck them.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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Faith 
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Message 97 of 286 (853678)
05-30-2019 6:24 PM
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05-30-2019 6:12 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Trashing the founding fathers is just more typical Llftist arrogance. I'm sure you aren't any paragon of moral judgment yourself and you may not even have the excuse of being born in a cultural context that encourages your moral failures. Actually, supporting abortion makes you anything BUT a moral paragon, and I hope THAT mentality is condemned in a few generations too. but the Founders were great men and today's mental midgets dissing them is disgusting. AND they were all uncomfortable with slavery rather than justifying it. Ugh what a bunch of Llftist Pharisees hang out here. Finding fault with everybody but themselves.

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Faith 
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Message 98 of 286 (853679)
05-30-2019 6:25 PM
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05-30-2019 6:18 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But it DID include granting it to slaves in the end. Gosh you must think you are better than Jefferson or Washington? What a bunch of self righteous knowitalls you lftists are. Even while advocating killing babies. Yuck.

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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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DrJones*
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Message 99 of 286 (853683)
05-30-2019 6:30 PM
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05-30-2019 6:25 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
in the end = after a civil war

Gosh you must think you are better than Jefferson or Washington

I've never owned slaves so I think I'm ahead of them in a category or two.

Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.


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Faith 
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Message 100 of 286 (853686)
05-30-2019 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by DrJones*
05-30-2019 6:30 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
You aren't ahead of them in any sense whatever. You're just an arrogant jrk.

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Message 101 of 286 (853688)
05-30-2019 6:48 PM
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05-30-2019 6:32 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
No, I'm pretty sure Dr. Jones* owns no slaves.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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DrJones*
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Message 102 of 286 (853692)
05-30-2019 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
05-30-2019 6:32 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
You're just an arrogant jrk.

perhaps, but I've never owned slaves.

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AZPaul3
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Message 103 of 286 (853700)
05-30-2019 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
05-30-2019 5:44 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Which means you want to order an unwilling woman to carry an unwanted fetus to term?

And frankly I really don't give a flyin' flip what the founding fathers may think. They're all dead and this society has changed.

So has our morality. I'm not surprised you cannot see bodily integrity as a primary birthright of all human's. The morality has shifted from your medieval religious tripe to the reality of the human condition in our modern global society. And in the balance the choice of the woman wins, not the dictates of your church.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 104 of 286 (853707)
05-31-2019 1:15 AM
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05-30-2019 11:24 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
God help us!

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Faith 
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Message 105 of 286 (853708)
05-31-2019 1:17 AM
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05-30-2019 11:24 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
My "religious tripe" hasn't even been mentioned, and nothing from my church. I did think that all sane societies had laws against murder which hadn't been transcended anywhere.

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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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