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Message 47 of 238 (711296)
11-17-2013 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by marc9000
11-16-2013 7:53 PM


marc9000 writes:

There are climate scientists all over the world who disagree with the atheist, liberal view of global warming

Atheism has as much correlation with climate change as creationism has with sanity.


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Message 55 of 238 (711440)
11-19-2013 2:49 AM
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11-18-2013 8:30 PM


Re: another empty argument attempt to push religious views in education
marc9000 writes:

Oh, and there are no pawns in the scientific community who aren’t paid by the special interests of atheism and liberalism?

The words 'science', 'atheist' and 'liberal' are not synonyms. Your conspiracy paranoia is telling.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


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Message 181 of 238 (853648)
05-30-2019 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Dredge
05-30-2019 1:10 AM


Aliens anybody?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 189 of 238 (853982)
06-03-2019 2:00 PM
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06-03-2019 1:12 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
If you're going to make a claim like this it absolutely must be followed by, 'for example....'

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 192 of 238 (853987)
06-03-2019 3:02 PM
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06-03-2019 2:28 PM


Re: Dredge Unplugged
Phat writes:

You likely will see the evidence before you die.

I guess you have finally lost it. I'm sorry.

Then again, I don't know.

But not knowing doesn't prevent you making totally baseless claims just like all the nutters have done for thousands of years.

But I do know that all things hidden will one day be revealed.
you neither know that nor even know what it means - if anything. Just religious blather.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 210 of 238 (854326)
06-07-2019 5:02 AM
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06-07-2019 2:46 AM


Dredge writes:

Hilarious! Next you'll be telling me scientists can be trusted to be 100% objective!

You're confusing the process of scientific work with the work of *a* scientist. Science collectively corrects the errors of scientists.

From your creation studies, I'm sure you remember Piltdown man. That's how the process of science works but more usually with new knowledge or simple error than deliberate fraud.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 213 of 238 (854933)
06-14-2019 4:25 AM
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06-14-2019 3:56 AM


Dredge writes:

Except when it comes to the Darwinian explanation for the history of life, which can't be questioned.

Everything can be questioned and tested - everything. But the ToE has been questioned and tested for 150 years and all that's changed are details. My personal opinion is that our understanding of how evolution actually works is still very naive. I think we'll find out that it's vastly more complicated and messy than we think it is now - and certainly how we discuss it here.

But to actually test it you have to first understand it and then work professionally in the field. It can't be successfully challenged by people with no understanding of it and disagree with it for purely religious reasons. You need scientific reasons with evidence to support it.

The ToE is real science so it can be falsified - all you have to do is provide the falsification. The simplest being a fossil found out of order in the fossil record. That's all it takes, one mammal in a rock older than mammals are found in. (In practice it would take a few to be conclusive, but if the ToE is wrong, that should be easy, you'd find no order in the fossil record.)

Apparently, accepting a flawed theory is better than saying "We don't know."

The problem you have is showing the *fatal* flaws.

There have been lots of flaws and there'll be many more, but none of them fatal and all add to our understanding. When science doesn't know, it says so. That all life on earth evolved is not something we don't know, it's now a fact accepted by all but those with religious reasons not to.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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