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Faith 
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Message 59 of 286 (853535)
05-28-2019 3:33 PM
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05-28-2019 11:50 AM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Actually I'd rather persuade people that they don't really want to kill their child than get the government involved in any of it.

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Message 60 of 286 (853536)
05-28-2019 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Theodoric
05-28-2019 11:34 AM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
I seriously doubt that. A very few perhaps but in those cases you could save the llfe of the child, which is certainly viable in the third trimester. You don't have to kill it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 63 of 286 (853545)
05-28-2019 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Theodoric
05-28-2019 4:07 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Late termination of pregnancy - Wikipedia
Late termination of pregnancy,also known as postviability abortion

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Message 69 of 286 (853553)
05-28-2019 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Sarah Bellum
05-28-2019 6:28 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Prototypical's situation is the ONLY one that presents ANY difficult ethical problems to my mind. If you have a healthy fetus and a healthy mother there is no justification whatever for abortion. If the mother's llfe is threatened abortion may be necessary but that's an extremely rare sitaution. In the case of a sick baby as described by Prototypical I can see the reasonableness of choosing abortion in that case. That just about sums up all the possibilities.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 77 of 286 (853591)
05-29-2019 11:31 AM
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05-28-2019 10:31 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
If you have a healthy fetus and a healthy mother there is no justification whatever for abortion.
Except for the mother's desires. Her right to control her own personal physical integrity. Her personal liberty.
I understand that isn't a concept you seem able to support but to some of us that *is* the defining concept.
Yes, you absurdly and immorally put personal liberty above the llfe of another human being. Absurd and morally bankrupt. Our dependency on our parents doesn't stop in the womb you know. At any time they could declare their personal liberty from us and abandon us on a street corner to fend for ourselves. Or kill us. Some mothers have done that because their children got in the way of their personal freedom. We usually call them insane. Or murderers.
The way to avoid this conflict is to avoid getting pregnant. It's not impossible, but gosh, that too requires us to give up our liberty, doesn't it?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 80 of 286 (853596)
05-29-2019 11:59 AM
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05-29-2019 11:52 AM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
This kind of specious reasoning is dspicable. The baby is growing inside the woman already, she isn't forced to put it there. There are lots of organ donors, my organ is not required of me, but the only choice if I don't want to carry a baby is to KILL it. Do you understand the difference between having a choice not to supply something to someone else, and KILLING someone? I am responsible for the life growing inside me, I am NOT responsible for a person's life independent of me no matter what demented logic you follow.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 82 of 286 (853599)
05-29-2019 12:04 PM
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05-29-2019 11:57 AM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Oh golly gosh. Yes dear, there is the rare case of a pregnancy due to rape where she can't control it. Always we make the rare case the standard around here don't we? Nevertheless in the general case I was talking about there is hypothetically the option of not getting pregnant. Sheesh the illogic around here could kill a person.

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Faith 
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Message 84 of 286 (853608)
05-29-2019 12:18 PM
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05-29-2019 12:14 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Fine. If you don't give your kidney to save someone it's the same as killing an unborn baby. Fine, have it your way all you nut cases that want to do nothing but obscure the point.

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Message 90 of 286 (853632)
05-29-2019 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by AZPaul3
05-29-2019 2:50 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
When the "right" to kill a human being is called "liberty" I know the country has gone to Hell in a handbasket.
(I won't even venture to comment on the reversals and duplicity that attend the other discussions going on here today, but this is one day when everything here is so sickeningly upside down, with lles, llbel, illogic, partisan slime throwing called reasoning and worse it's hard to believe.)
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 94 of 286 (853671)
05-30-2019 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by AZPaul3
05-29-2019 2:50 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
If you mean to be using "liberty" in the sense used by the American founders you are abusing the word. They certainly never meant to establish liberty from Nature or liberty from responsibility. The word as you are using it is a travesty. There is no liberty to kill a human being.

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Faith 
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Message 97 of 286 (853678)
05-30-2019 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Taq
05-30-2019 6:12 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Trashing the founding fathers is just more typical Llftist arrogance. I'm sure you aren't any paragon of moral judgment yourself and you may not even have the excuse of being born in a cultural context that encourages your moral failures. Actually, supporting abortion makes you anything BUT a moral paragon, and I hope THAT mentality is condemned in a few generations too. but the Founders were great men and today's mental midgets dissing them is disgusting. AND they were all uncomfortable with slavery rather than justifying it. Ugh what a bunch of Llftist Pharisees hang out here. Finding fault with everybody but themselves.

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Faith 
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Message 98 of 286 (853679)
05-30-2019 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by DrJones*
05-30-2019 6:18 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But it DID include granting it to slaves in the end. Gosh you must think you are better than Jefferson or Washington? What a bunch of self righteous knowitalls you lftists are. Even while advocating killing babies. Yuck.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 100 of 286 (853686)
05-30-2019 6:32 PM
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05-30-2019 6:30 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
You aren't ahead of them in any sense whatever. You're just an arrogant jrk.

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Faith 
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Message 104 of 286 (853707)
05-31-2019 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by AZPaul3
05-30-2019 11:24 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
God help us!

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Faith 
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Message 105 of 286 (853708)
05-31-2019 1:17 AM
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05-30-2019 11:24 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
My "religious tripe" hasn't even been mentioned, and nothing from my church. I did think that all sane societies had laws against murder which hadn't been transcended anywhere.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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