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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi Rahvin,
... Imagine what you'll "know" tomorrow. ~ Agent K (Tommy Lee Jones), Men in Black Yes, imagine what unknown things will present themselves tomorrow that you will gain knowledge of and still might prove to be incorrect.I think that was K's point, but I could be wrong. Edited by 1.61803, : bad sentence structure."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
There is room in my universe for the possibility of God.
Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs |
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Well if someone came back with Einstein, Carl Sagen and Stephen Hawking, that would be a start.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Stile writes:
Hello Stile, Therefore, it is through "the religious" more so than maths and physics, that I reach the conclusion that there is NO God.I feel like the main problem with these sorts of discussions is that here is never any clear consensus of what exactly is God. If one means that God is a made up thing from our imagination then I agree with you. That God does not exist except in our imagination.Humans have been making up shit since the first human uttered a word. But I also note that alot of what was made up has come to be understood and now is agreed to exist. Is it possible that God is like that? The supernatural imo is a place holder for that which we as yet do not understand. I do not know that God does not exist. I do not know that other universes do not exist either. I can only hope there is something more to all this than just a absurd and arbitrary occurrence. And yes it is merely a hope. Edited by 1.61803, : added image"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Stile writes:
So a possibility?
So sure, it's possible that we haven't discovered God yet. Stile writes: I have no problem going against this "possibility" for God - I say I know God doesn't exist. Stile writes: Personally, I also know that there is more to all this than just an absurd and arbitrary occurrence - and I don't involve God in any way. I define my own purpose So you KNOW God does not exist despite the possibility, then go on to say you KNOW there is more to our existence than a absurd arbitrary occurrence based on your own personal desire to assign this "more". Please reconcile. I agree that humans often assign meaning to their lives but that is just some warm comfy things to say that will give us some good feelz. Kinda like how fundies give themselves good feelz with this God business. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Do you agree that the possibility of another universe may exist?
If you answer yes; do you go on to say you know other universes do not exist despite the possibility? You have already said you know that God does not exist despite the possibility."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Stile writes:
Do parallel universes exist? We might live in a multiverse | Space
I don't know - what's the evidence for other universes existing? These are the kinds of questions we need to answer and compare with the results of religious experts searching for God in order to make the example you're attempting to use be applicable. Wouldn't you agree? As far as I can tell no one has yet come up with a universal definition of God. Even among theist there seems to be alot of moving the goal post. I read once that God is the thing that actualizes reality. I am not ready to abandon the idea of God yet. But thats just me. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi Stile,
Terrific insight. You may find this interesting:Summary of Thomas Nagel’s, “The Absurd” | Reason and Meaning Life is ironic and if we embrace this simple fact we can avoid lots of angst."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Stile your premise is on it's face fallacious and hence falls on it's face.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
It seems to be a fallacious argument from incredulity.
You can not possibly know something does not exist based on it being to fantastical or irrational or crazy of a idea to exist. I told you this years ago. Go the the wiki page on God:God - Wikipedia Look at all of the concepts humanity has come up with concerning God.There are some there that I agree I do not believe it either. But I am not going to say every conceivable idea of God has been examined and found to be false. Someone once said that Romeo and Juliet is a known work of fiction but that does not mean it does not say something true about love. I have no problem with your statement that you know God does not exist.But it is I believe a fallacious argument. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
If you do not like argument from incredulity we can switch it to argument from ignorance.
A fallacy does not show a argument to be false it just fails to give any reason why it should be true. Your belief that there is no god is reasonable and philosophically justified. But you are not saying based on looking for evidence and finding none you do not believe god exist. You are saying I know god does not exist. Your claim could be true or not. But it is not logical. based on what you are saying. Edited by 1.61803, : redundant"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Logical Forms:
X is true because you cannot prove that X is false.X is false because you cannot prove that X is true. Stile writes: The exact same reason I know Santa does not exist.The exact same reason I know chimeras do not exist. The exact same reason I know my keys are not bananas. You can know Santa does not exist because no one is out there defending the possibility of Santa existing. Most adults are in full agreement with you.Same for Chimeras and banana keys. You already previously admitted to the possibility of god.to admit to the possibility is to admit to it possibly existing. Hence you do not know. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Ok Santa is real. look here
Is Santa Real or Fake? Proof Santa Exists And Is True in 2022 "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Stile, please see my post previous to that.
If it makes no sense to you then I do not know what else I can add to this discussion.It is not logical to dismiss something because you have not found evidence for it yet. *The evidence may be forthcoming or you have not looked everywhere or any number of things. You agreed to the possibility but negate it's existence. This is in congruent. Lets agree to disagree. Edited by 1.61803, : removed a word. Edited by 1.61803, : *added."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I believe it is human irrationality helps keeps us going and creative in our problem solving.
If AI ever becomes a real thing then we shall see what absolute rationality will get us. Humanity will work itself right out of a job. Namely being human is costly and inefficient.Think about it. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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