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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
ringo
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Message 451 of 3207 (829561)
03-09-2018 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 450 by Phat
03-09-2018 12:11 PM


Re: The Irony
Phat writes:
I was there. I watched the debate and the audience reactions. If my apologetics had any influence, it certainly didn't make me less honest.
You may be honest here too when you try to psychoanalyze me - but being honest doesn't make you right. We know you see what you want to see.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 465 of 3207 (829895)
03-16-2018 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 461 by Phat
03-16-2018 3:54 AM


quote:
"I'd rather live my life as if there is a God and die and find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."
If there was no God, would you help the poor?
There isn't, and I still do.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 491 of 3207 (853658)
05-30-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 490 by Dredge
05-30-2019 12:57 AM


Dredge writes:
In order to claim that you must have died and seen what on the other side, then come back to tell us what you discovered. How did you do that? And how did you do that without some help from God?
That's been done with help from medical science. Do you have hard evidence that any of them found "another side"? How, exactly, could somebody bring back verifiable evidence, even if there was "another side"?

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 495 of 3207 (853833)
06-01-2019 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by Phat
06-01-2019 3:40 AM


Phat writes:
Actually it could be argued that God is the one making the claim. I AM that I Am.
quote:
"I'm Batman."
-- Batman
Not a very compelling argument.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 499 of 3207 (853918)
06-02-2019 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 497 by Faith
06-01-2019 7:58 PM


Faith writes:
We suffer in this llfe due to the Fall...
There was no "Fall". Eating the fruit made Adam and Eve more like God. He said so Himself.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 501 of 3207 (853925)
06-02-2019 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 500 by Faith
06-02-2019 2:55 PM


Faith writes:
And that WAS the Fall.
But it wasn't a fall.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 503 of 3207 (853931)
06-02-2019 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 502 by Faith
06-02-2019 3:50 PM


Re: The Fall it was
Faith writes:
Yes it was a fall.
You're calling God a liar.
Faith writes:
And the knowledge of good and **** we got didn't do us any good.
Of course it did. It made us more like God. He said so:
quote:
Genesis 3;22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Faith writes:
I found a discussion of these things at Got Questions but due to a glitch that recurs from time to time I lost it and now don't have the energy to go find it again.
You can keep your commentators to yourself anyway.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 512 of 3207 (854044)
06-04-2019 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 507 by Phat
06-04-2019 10:34 AM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Phat writes:
To be fair, however...you (ringo) are looking at the Bible from a critical thinking POV which mainstream apologetics and Christianity does not ascribe to.
Of course I am. That's the only way to look at any Book. That's why the apologists and other hucksters get it wrong so often. They start with "the answers" and twist the Bible to fit them.
Phat writes:
We can either conclude that they are willfully deceived and have an "agenda" (which is nothing more than telling the world that God has a plan and that Jesus is alive) or we can listen to your unenlightened common sense nonsense.
If you could actually point out that what I say is nonsense, you might have something. Why can't you?
Phat writes:
You can call me WRONG and have trumped up evidence to back the accusation up...
You can emulate Trump and claim I have it wrong or you could actually show that my evidence is "trumped up". Why don't you do that?
Phat writes:
... but once the reality manifests on this planet...
You can shove that nonsense. Until it actually happens, that story is no better than Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 513 of 3207 (854045)
06-04-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by Phat
06-04-2019 10:57 AM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Phat writes:
If you go and continue to listen to heretics such as Richard Carrier (who has no clue that Jesus is real and will continue to be a tool of satan)....
Seriously, are you not embarrassed to post drivel like that? You should be.
Phat writes:
If nothing else, my rants will continue to enrage many, but I will rest easy knowing that I did my job.
If you think that's your job, you're as deluded as Faith.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 516 of 3207 (854050)
06-04-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 514 by Phat
06-04-2019 12:27 PM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Phat writes:
All I am suggesting is that there is, in my opinion, something to what the apologists say and have preached for many years.
Then roll it out, for God's sake. If there's any sense to it at all, you should be able to defend it.
Phat writes:
Perhaps one reason why all of this is so confusing is that we are in fact in a spiritual war and the bad guys don't want everyone finding out the truth.
The reason it's confusing is because the whole belief system is nonsense.
Phat writes:
I have no fond feelings for Donald Trump.
You've been talking just like him lately.
Phat writes:
At best, I think that God may have allowed him to become president...
You'd be better off leaving God out of your thinking once in a while. "God moves in mysterious ways" can be used as an excuse for anything. Next thing we know, you'll be herding Jews into concentration camps because "God allowed it to happen".
Phat writes:
It may well be that this event will trigger some major cultural and sociological societal shifts. The nutters will be vindicated...but the world will soon tire of the nutters and seek to abolish all religious expression....
Please just stop with the stupid "prophecies".

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 518 of 3207 (854054)
06-04-2019 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 515 by Phat
06-04-2019 12:32 PM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Phat writes:
Why? Richard Carrier is in fact mentioned indirectly in scripture.
John 22 makes an unsubstantiated claim. It's basically saying that anybody who doesn't agree with John is a liar. That sounds just like Faith.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 521 of 3207 (854060)
06-04-2019 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by Phat
06-04-2019 1:53 PM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Phat writes:
I could as esily tell you to take your opinions and beliefs to a secular humanist or atheist site, such as Internet Infidels.
See Rule 4:
quote:
Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
Saying, "I believe..." is not supporting with evidence and reasoned argumentation.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 541 of 3207 (854162)
06-05-2019 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 523 by Phat
06-04-2019 2:56 PM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Phat writes:
while I will agree that I have no evidence, I would argue that I DO have reasoned argumentation.
I don't think you do. When you're shown that your reasoning is wrong, you always fall back on, "But I believe...."
Phat writes:
And for the record, reasoned argumentation can involve both belief and science.
Can it?

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 543 of 3207 (854263)
06-06-2019 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 542 by Phat
06-06-2019 9:28 AM


Re: The Fall it was & The Rapture it shall be
Phat writes:
The problem here is that you want your paradigm to be the default standard...
What "paradigm" are you talking about?
"My paradigm", as far as I'm concerned, is reality - and that damn well is the default standard.
Phat writes:
...only because belief is in your opinion unevidenced.
You yourself keep saying so. Just today, in another thread, you said, "You cannot have evidence for an eternal Deity nor of a living character." Get your story straight.
Phat writes:
But if it really were unevidenced, there would not be as many fervent believers now, would there.
Think.
Of course there WOULD be.
That same argument could be used for Islam - or Scientology, for that matter.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 556 of 3207 (854345)
06-07-2019 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Faith
06-06-2019 4:54 PM


Re: Dan barkers godless audio version
Faith writes:
... either Jesus died for our sins or He did not, there's no grey area there....
Of course there's a gray area.
Did he even exist? That's pretty dark gray but not quite black.
Did He die for our sins? Of course not. But that's gray because dying for our sins doesn't make any sense anyway.
Did He rise from the dead? Of course not. But that's gray because it's irrelevant.
Is He alive today? Of course not - but also irrelevant.
Do His teachings have any value? That's a pretty light gray.
What's unfortunate is that you espouse only the darkest parts. (Ironic, too.)

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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