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Message 1011 of 1385 (852572)
05-13-2019 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1005 by Dredge
05-13-2019 9:39 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
You might want to try the Fedora style.
If it doesn't improve things, I expect you to pay for the aluminium foil I wasted.
Before we get to that level, if you're unhappy with the fedora you need to try the Stetson. After that I got a couple hundred more styles for you to try.

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Message 1014 of 1385 (852575)
05-13-2019 10:30 PM
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05-13-2019 9:44 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
... so many palaeontologists point out that there is very little evidence of evolution in the rocks!
So many as in what? Two?
We got 10,000+- others who say they are wrong.
Ever hear of Project Steve

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Message 1016 of 1385 (852577)
05-13-2019 10:40 PM
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05-13-2019 9:51 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
All I need to know is that genetic engineering has the potential to reshape the genome such that massive changes in morphology are possible.
That's grade school. We are talking way beyond that. No wonder you're lost.
Believing that your puny mechanisms of evolutionary can turn a rodent into a whale is grand delusion.
A grand delusion of actual fact. And we got pictures. With circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one saying what each one was. Yea, Dredge, we know the lineages quite well and with a lot more consensus than you could afford to admit.
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Message 1017 of 1385 (852578)
05-13-2019 11:10 PM
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05-13-2019 8:29 PM


Re: Restating the question
my understanding is, only ...
Do you have any idea how easy it is to research the real number and get it right the first time? How easy it is to verify your own understanding?
Do you have any idea the depth of intellectual laziness you have displayed for us yet again?
Do you realize just how dumb that is?
Creationists. Religionists. How do you people survive to breed?

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Message 1041 of 1385 (853078)
05-22-2019 10:28 AM
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05-21-2019 10:18 PM


Re: NO evidence of aliens
AZPaul3 writes:
Fossils give us great big clues to what happened and when
I agree - but fossils don't tell us HOW.
And just casually ignore the next sentence. Typical YEC.
quote:
Then there is the genetic data, by the dredge-load, that more that very nicely verifies, challenges/changes, and fills in the rest of the gospel according to ToE.

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Message 1042 of 1385 (853084)
05-22-2019 10:36 AM
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05-21-2019 9:20 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
I'm not a YEC
Yes, you are.
You're a poof majik goddoneit creationist.
Old young, makes no difference.
Like maroon and burgundy. Both are red regardless of how you split the hairs.
You are a YEC.

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Message 1061 of 1385 (853142)
05-22-2019 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1050 by Faith
05-22-2019 12:10 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
We should start a new designation. Young/Old Earth Creationist (YOEC).
The vocalization of which would come out as yokel.

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Message 1099 of 1385 (853572)
05-29-2019 4:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1096 by Dredge
05-29-2019 4:15 AM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
So, about ten fossils spanning a period of millions of years demonstrate microevolutionary steps? I think you’re a few fossils short to make that claim - by about a thousand . at least.
Your observation that this sequence is short a thousand intermediate fossils is based on what rationale?
How long did you expect microevolution to take turning one species into another?
You have shown us no reason to doubt either the lineage or the timeline in this sequence. You have only your personal incredulity as an objection.
Your incredulity, born of a lack of training and a religious motivation, means nothing here.
Got anything else?
Anything actually substantive?

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Message 1101 of 1385 (853575)
05-29-2019 5:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1070 by Dredge
05-26-2019 10:20 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
This video (YouTube) is from the American Museum of Natural History.
Without an understanding of a UCA and the genetic bush that sprang from it, this stuff would be meaningless.
I watched this video and I can't see why the theory of common descent (UCA) is important to any of it. So please explain what you mean, as I fear you are in the grip of some sort of delusion that I can perhaps help you escape from.
I didn't expect you to understand how/why the video relates to UCA.
You're a denier, remember? Did you lose your list of the cast in this little play?
I added the video to show everyone else in the lurk-o-sphere there is both utility and applied use to the theory. You'll notice that the video was not a response to you.

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Message 1102 of 1385 (853576)
05-29-2019 5:35 AM
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05-29-2019 5:07 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
You can dig up all the fossils you like, but they don't tell us HOW macroevolution occurred.
We already know how macroevolution occurred.The fossil record shows us that microevolution over many thousand generations is macroevolution. The fossils tell us what happened and Genetics tells us the chemistry. That's how.
It's all covered in the The Theory of Evolution. You really should learn about it.
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AZPaul3
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Message 1106 of 1385 (853621)
05-29-2019 1:52 PM
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05-29-2019 11:07 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
So the Genetics you hang your hopes on is impossible, and so are the bones.
And yet both are documented, tested, verified. Not bad for the impossible.
By your definition Science does impossible things more and more these days. It's hard keeping up with all the impossibilities science is uncovering in this universe.
Even a hundred generations of microevolution would deplete the genetic variability to the point that no further variation could occur down that llne of variation, while thousands would most probably lead to extinction of that llne of variation. You might get what you laughably believe to be "speciation," which is really nothing but a variety of the same creature that's so genetically depleted it's lost the ability to continue breeding with the parent population.
That's just a bunch of wishful hogwash.

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Message 1146 of 1385 (853888)
06-02-2019 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1138 by Dredge
06-02-2019 12:56 AM


AZPaul3 writes:
I added the video to show everyone else in the lurk-o-sphere there is both utility and applied use to the theory.
... and you failed miserably. No one here knows what the hell you're talking about.
I'm sure most of the folk out there knew exactly what the subject was and what the video presented. Again, it was not for you.
But, you, not knowing what you're talking about, was the very reason it was presented.
In this case we kept the video away from you so as to not confuse you. We know how facts and reality confuse you.
Don't feel bad, Dredge, we know where your intellectual failures are and we are trying to compensate for them.

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Message 1148 of 1385 (853890)
06-02-2019 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1139 by Dredge
06-02-2019 1:07 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
AZPaul3 writes:
We already know how macroevolution occurred. The fossil record shows us that microevolution over many thousand generations is macroevolution. The fossils tell us what happened and Genetics tells us the chemistry. That's how.
You seemed to have missed the point. I not talking about your "macro = micro + time" theory; I talking about what fossils tell us - they tell us WHAT happened, not HOW it happened.
Yes, of course, I should have adjusted for your reading comprehension problem.
Notice in my message I said "The fossils tell us what happened ..." while in your message you complain "You seemed to have missed the point. ... I talking about what fossils tell us - they tell us WHAT happened...".
For anyone with a reading comprehension above 4th grade these two statements are equivalent.
Sorry to have confused you yet again.
Science cannot determine HOW the history of life unfolded; it can only guess.
More confusion.
Science has determined how life unfolded. You are just too confused by your own blind religious stupidity to acknowledge or understand. And then you get hung up on some gap or other in the fossil record then act like the the rest of the record doesn't exist.
Again, the Theory of Evolution with both its fossils and its chemistry, tells us HOW the history of life unfolded.
And no, I didn't miss any point. I WAS talking "macro = micro + time" theory and so were you. It's been a side topic in this thread for quite a few messages.
You may need to go back and re-read this thread. I think we've reached beyond your intellectual capacity and you need to refresh to catch up ... again.
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AZPaul3
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Message 1149 of 1385 (853892)
06-02-2019 4:47 AM
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06-02-2019 1:17 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
So you "know" ToE is true? If so, why do you call it the "THEORY of evolution" and not the "FACT of evolution"?
Are you kidding me?
This YEC trope has been around forever. It was an intellectually vacuous argument decades ago and is downright stupid now.
You are a YEC. And a rather dumb one at that.
Furthermore, since you "know how macroevolution occurred", please explain how you would use the principles of ToE to breed reptiles into mammals. Or fish into amphibians?
OK. But only the mammal one.
So first you get a population of amniotes which evolve into the synapsids, and the sauropsids. The synapsids begat the Eupelycosaurs who begat the sphenacodontians who then begat the Sphenacodontids who then begat the Therapsids who finally begat the mammals. And at each begat we're talking millions of years of microevolution with lots of intermediate begats in between each of those.
That was easy.
So if dog breeders come up against a genetic "brick wall" and can't get even remotely close to breeding a non-dog from a dog, how the hell are you going to breed a mammal from a reptile, or an amphibian from a fish?
Well, you see, Dredge, dog breeders are not looking to breed a non-dog. They want to breed only a specific type of dog with a highly restrictive set of features. So they inbreed closely related animals which restricts the resultant gene pool for that breed leading to deformities. Artificial selection does that.
The only time natural selection does that is when some disaster constricts the breeding population to the point that only closely related animals breed which restricts the resultant gene pool for that population leading to deformities. Like today's Cheetahs.
Otherwise, natural selection allows breeding across multiple genetically diverse populations leading to even greater genetic diversity.
So that's how you get around this fictitious "brick wall" your strawman invented.
So how does your Darwinist macroevolution manage to produce an INCREASE in diversity?
Easy. It draws from a more diverse gene pool which in turn adds yet more diversity to the gene pool.”
Don't think too hard on the thing. It's chemistry and math and you know those are way beyond your capabilities.
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AZPaul3
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Message 1172 of 1385 (854013)
06-04-2019 4:12 AM
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06-04-2019 2:23 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Sorry, but you haven’t told me anything useful in terms of a breeding program.
Is that what you're looking for? A fuckin breeding program!
Disingenuous fool.
Hey, but ok, I'll have a few minutes of fun.
To evolve amniotes to synapsids/sauropsids nature took millions of colonies of different species of amniotes, put them in a nice wet warm place and let chemistry work its majik. A few million years later the amniotes were still there but had evolved two separate forms.
How's that for a breeding program. Like teenagers you leave them alone and they fuck on their own. Don't need no stinkin' program.
Dog breeders have experimented with inbreeding simply to see what will happen and what weird mutations they can come up with.
So what? That doesn't mean what you think it means. We are quite familiar with this inbreeding disaster and how/why it forms. And you don't know dog breeders.
This fact contradicts your Darwinist fantasy that a dog can eventually be bred into a non-dog.
No, fool, it does not. Any such fantasy exists only in your tiny little head.
And of all my fantasies I don't recall Darwin being in any of them, though I've had some wide-ranging fantasies so I can't say for sure.
I understand that an atheist has no choice but to believe that evolution is responsible for the fossil record, despite the reality-denying absurdity of that position.
A streetcar named Desire jumps both ways. Sixty-four is interdependent on the relatedness of motivation, subcultures, and management.
Whiskey on the table is paved with good intentions. You make as much sense as the Do Nothing Button.
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