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Sarah Bellum
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Message 123 of 286 (853897)
06-02-2019 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Dogmafood
05-29-2019 1:12 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
I quite agree that the legal question is a different question.

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Message 149 of 286 (854069)
06-04-2019 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Chiroptera
06-02-2019 10:16 AM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But there, you see, when you say that a termination in the ninth month is for serious health reasons, you're conceding that it's a different situation from a termination at, say, seven weeks.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 150 of 286 (854070)
06-04-2019 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by AZPaul3
06-02-2019 12:33 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
When you say it's not a reality do you mean it doesn't happen, or that it shouldn't be permitted?

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Message 151 of 286 (854071)
06-04-2019 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Theodoric
06-03-2019 9:19 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Whether or not you characterize it as a "political term" you still know what it refers to, don't you?

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Message 159 of 286 (854414)
06-08-2019 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Theodoric
06-04-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
If someone refers to "partial birth abortion" do you know what they are referring to?

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Message 160 of 286 (854416)
06-08-2019 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Chiroptera
06-04-2019 6:37 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
So the dividing line is at birth?
Or is the dividing line earlier? That is, do you think there should be more restrictions on later-gestation than on early-gestation abortions?

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Message 161 of 286 (854417)
06-08-2019 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by AZPaul3
06-04-2019 9:26 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Is it a "straw man" in that it never happens, or that you're not saying restrictions on it happening shouldn't be on the books?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 162 of 286 (854418)
06-08-2019 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by ringo
06-05-2019 12:09 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Oh indeed! For example, if I were to use the term "unicorn" you would be within your rights to say that such a thing doesn't exist.
Now, if I were to use the term partial-birth abortion would you be within your rights to say such a thing never happens?

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Message 183 of 286 (855324)
06-18-2019 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by AZPaul3
06-08-2019 3:35 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Does that mean you think it would be OK to put restrictions on 39-week abortions? How about abortions after viability where no danger to the woman or fetus is present?

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Message 184 of 286 (855334)
06-18-2019 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Theodoric
06-08-2019 3:38 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
So you're discussing a topic without knowing what . . . ?
OK, here's a quote from 'Partial-Birth Abortion': Separating Fact From Spin : NPR
Where does the term "partial-birth" abortion come from?
The term was first coined by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in 1995 to describe a recently introduced medical procedure to remove fetuses from the womb. Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal.

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Message 185 of 286 (855337)
06-18-2019 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Chiroptera
06-08-2019 4:08 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But doesn't this mean an abortion of a 1-week gestation fetus is no different from the abortion of a 39-week gestation fetus?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 186 of 286 (855338)
06-18-2019 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by ringo
06-09-2019 2:36 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Here's a quote from 'Partial-Birth Abortion': Separating Fact From Spin : NPR
Where does the term "partial-birth" abortion come from?
The term was first coined by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in 1995 to describe a recently introduced medical procedure to remove fetuses from the womb. Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 201 of 286 (855963)
06-25-2019 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by ringo
06-18-2019 6:04 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
The link from an NPR story has the information. Here's a snippet:
"Two abortion physicians, one in Ohio and one in California, independently developed variations on the method by extracting the fetus intact. The Ohio physician, Martin Haskell, called his method "dilation and extraction," or D&X. It involved dilating the woman's cervix, then pulling the fetus through it feet first until only the head remained inside. Using scissors or another sharp instrument, the head was then punctured, and the skull compressed, so it, too, could fit through the dilated cervix.
Haskell has said that he devised his D&X procedure because he wanted to find a way to perform second-trimester abortions without an overnight hospital stay, because local hospitals did not permit most abortions after 18 weeks."

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 214 of 286 (856406)
06-30-2019 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by ringo
05-29-2019 3:17 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
But we have all kinds of laws regulating medical practice.
To say such laws are "dictating" is an abuse of language.

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Message 215 of 286 (856407)
06-30-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by AZPaul3
06-02-2019 1:05 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
But not entirely bodily integrity issues. Absolutes are tricky.

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