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Theodoric
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Message 16 of 953 (854095)
06-04-2019 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Sarah Bellum
06-04-2019 4:16 PM


Re: Take away political preferences, and many (on both sides) are indeed racist.
That article doesn't really show people promoting open borders does it? Now lets see if you can find anyone of substance promoting open borders.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 17 of 953 (854096)
06-04-2019 5:02 PM
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06-04-2019 4:20 PM


You obviously have no idea what the sanctuary city movement is all about. Please show a sanctuary city advocate calling for open borders.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 18 of 953 (854097)
06-04-2019 5:04 PM
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06-04-2019 4:33 PM


No, they do not. You are wrong. Can you meet my challenge? Show a sanctuary city advocate calling for open borders? Show anyone significant calling for open borders? Anyone?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 19 of 953 (854100)
06-04-2019 5:19 PM
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06-04-2019 5:04 PM


I suppose you're right. It seems logical, doesn't it, that people who oppose immigration rules in one area might turn around and say they should work in another?

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JonF
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Message 20 of 953 (854101)
06-04-2019 5:19 PM
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06-04-2019 4:33 PM


Nevertheless, they do seem a bit lax in their attitudes towards the lines on the map, no?
No.
Got any evidence to the contrary?

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Taq
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Message 21 of 953 (854102)
06-04-2019 5:20 PM
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06-04-2019 4:33 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
Nevertheless, they do seem a bit lax in their attitudes towards the lines on the map, no?
Cultures tend to ignore lines on maps. They also recognize that this is a nation of immigrants, and there are far worse crimes than trying to attain the American Dream. Open borders won't work in modern times, but it is worth remembering that we had open borders for the majority of US history.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 22 of 953 (854103)
06-04-2019 5:25 PM
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06-04-2019 5:20 PM


Culture can be good and culture can be bad. Just read the news about the Middle East sometime.

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JonF
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Message 23 of 953 (854104)
06-04-2019 5:25 PM
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06-04-2019 5:19 PM


Sanctuary cities do not oppose immigration law. Here's a short primer.
  • Federal agencies are responsible for enforcing Federal laws.
  • State agencies are responsible for enforcing State laws.
  • Local agencies are responsible for enforcing State and local laws.
  • Immigration laws are all Federal laws.
Got any evidence of anybody advocating open borders?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 24 of 953 (854105)
06-04-2019 5:26 PM
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06-04-2019 5:19 PM


I suppose you're right. It seems logical, doesn't it, that people who oppose immigration rules in one area might turn around and say they should work in another?

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JonF
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Message 25 of 953 (854107)
06-04-2019 5:29 PM
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06-04-2019 5:25 PM


Or Alabama.
All of which has nothing to do with our national borders. Got any evidence of anyone advocating open borders?

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JonF
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Message 26 of 953 (854108)
06-04-2019 5:32 PM
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06-04-2019 5:26 PM


I replied to that (duplicate) message in Message 23.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 27 of 953 (854109)
06-04-2019 5:33 PM
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06-04-2019 5:29 PM


You brought up culture, not me.

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Taq
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Message 28 of 953 (854111)
06-04-2019 5:38 PM
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06-04-2019 5:25 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
Culture can be good and culture can be bad. Just read the news about the Middle East sometime.
Read up on European history in the 20th century.

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JonF
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Message 29 of 953 (854112)
06-04-2019 6:23 PM
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06-04-2019 5:33 PM


You brought up culture, not me.
Taq brought up culture.
I didn't.

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Message 30 of 953 (854114)
06-04-2019 6:50 PM
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06-04-2019 5:20 PM


Open borders won't work in modern times, but it is worth remembering that we had open borders for the majority of US history.
I find it interesting that every call for restricting immigration in US history seems to have come with a very unhealthy dose of racism.
Whether it was Germans in the 1840s, Chinese in the 1880s, Italians and Slavs in the 1920s, Mexicans in the 1980s, or Middle Easterners in the 2000s, calls for restricting immigration always came with fears about American culture becoming polluted by foreign traditions, not to mention the hysteria that foreigners will be bringinging diseases and crime.
I suppose there are good, solid reasons to be opposed to open borders, but I really don't feel like sticking my hands into all that racist muck to search for them. Not before I get a tetanus shot, anyway.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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