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Tangle Member Posts: 8068 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.4
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The Vatican has just held a scientific conference on atheism with the University of Kent who has published its research findings on:
“The global Understanding Unbelief program to advance the scientific understanding of atheism and nonreligion will today (May 28) present results from its research at the Vatican in Rome†quote: https://www.eurekalert.org/...ases/2019-05/uok-vhm052319.php Well, like I said, who knew? As I heard Dr Lois Lee speak about this I couldn't work out why I was getting increasingly angry about it. Particularly as her research was debunking falsehoods about atheism. Then I realised it was because I was being spoken about like an alien. Consider this statement “A common supposition - that of the purposeless unbeliever, lacking anything to ascribe ultimate meaning to the universe - does not bear scrutiny†This despite the fact that the study found that 50% of the populations they studied were unbelievers so how do they get to their “popular assumption†if 50% are actually atheists and can't be making that assumption? In fact, just that statement speaks of an internal bias. The unspoken assumption behind this is that atheists aren't human. Though, having said all that, their findings do disprove this obvious nonsense. I think perhaps we would have noticed if half of our population were psychopaths. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3933 Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Atheism - who knew? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5582 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
In England, yes. But in the good ol' US of A we already know more than half our population are psychopaths. Christian psychopaths. It's part of our culture. Here atheists are not treated as aliens, non-human. We are treated as heretics. Traitors to their god. Lost souls controlled by demons walking in their sacred midst. BTW. Did you really expect anything different from the Vatican? Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 14957 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Of course, the standard party line is that we are a "peculiar people" and that the Godly in Christ will suffer persecution.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8068 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
I expect nothing but bollox and self serving paedophilic lies from the Vatican but I do expect more from the University of Kent. But, as I say, the actual findings were fair - though blindingly obvious. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 968 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Most religious folks are conditioned to distrust anyone who is not part of their flock. Atheists often get more of the brunt of the dislike, but it permeates to any faith that is not conducive to the status quo of that particular religious branch. Most Catholics distrust Protestants. Most Protestants distrust Mormons. Most Christians distrust Muslims and vice versa. All religions have to paint anyone outside of their faith circle as being 'the other' in order to reinforce the notion of staying with their particular brand of religion. Back to the Kent study, it somewhat reminds me of that Pew research poll conducted a few years ago that tested religious knowledge. And to the surprise of many, atheists scored the highest. Which debunked the notion that atheists weren't well informed about religion. It actually proved they were the most well informed.
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ringo Member Posts: 18865 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Believing the voices in your head would be called a mental aberration in any other context, wouldn't it? Izquierdo.
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Phat Member Posts: 14957 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I also elicit feedback from those close to me who know me the best---because they have perspective on my "normal" behavior. And so far I have passed their test...in fact they think I am becoming wiser and deeper.
Plus...as for you, the fact that you question whether faith and belief have any business in science shows which altar you have groveled at the whole time. Faith and I can agree... Boy will you guys be surprised one day soon! Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ringo Member Posts: 18865 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1
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That's exactly the problem. You only accept the opinions of sycophants who agree with you. And you mock those of us who might possibly be more objective. Izquierdo.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 2417 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 8.5 |
I love surprises! At least I won't have to listen Christian BS after you guys get your surprise. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 14957 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
LOL
![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 14957 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ringo Member Posts: 18865 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Yes, you do: quote:You don't think "grovelling at the altar" is mockery?
I wonder if you do. You keep coming back with the same old same old nonsensical claims like, "People choose Hell."
And shame on them. Is that any way to stand up for Jesus? Izquierdo.
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caffeine Member Posts: 1799 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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quote: I don't think this is true at all. Most Catholics don't distrust Protestants. Most Catholics don't see any meaningful distinction between Catholics and Protestants. It's just something you inherit, like a surname. Obviously I'm talking from the perspective of someone who has always lived in very secular countries, but I don't think trying to view things from the perspective of a doctrinaire zealot helps to understand how most Catholics, Protestants etc think.
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Phat Member Posts: 14957 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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