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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Dredge
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Message 1183 of 1385 (854137)
06-05-2019 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1163 by Taq
06-03-2019 6:18 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Taq writes:
. The matching phylogenies at the morphological and genetic level tell us the how: evolutionary mechanisms. Phylogenies are the fingerprint of random mutations, selection, drift, speciation, and vertical inheritance
Ah, so if you know how macroevolution occurs, you shouldn't have any trouble telling me how you would go about breeding a bird from a reptile, for example ... or a non-fruit fly from a fruit fly. What about a double-cell organism from a single-cell organism? Go ahead, I'm all ears ...
that fingerprint is all over the distribution of characteristics in living and fossil species as well as the genomes of living species.
You stated in message 1162 that "genetic engineering can produce any pattern of similarities and differences" - I presume this includes the same pattern that evolution produces. So it's possible that, what looks to you like the "fingerprint" of evolution in the fossil record, could actually be the fingerprint of genetic engineering.

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Message 1184 of 1385 (854140)
06-05-2019 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1159 by edge
06-03-2019 10:50 AM


Re: YEC vs OEC
qs=edgeNo that doesn't answer my question. I asked why you defend a theory as the best scientific explanation when you don't believe it. That does not lend a whole lot of credence. In fact, it makes your argument a strawman.
I would just as soon argue that the theory of evolution is the best scientific theory because I DO believe that the evidence supports it. Arguably, that makes my theory more valid than yours [/qs]
Okay, let's simplify things - imagine that I decided to ditch my theory of aliens and like you, accepted Darwinism as the best scientific explanation for the fossil record. Although I accept Darwinism as the best scientific theory, I still wouldn't believe it, because
A. Accepting a scientific explanation as the best available at the time is not contingent on believing that explanation is the truth. For staters, I would be aware that the "best scientific explanation" today may not be the "best scientific explanation" tomorrow.
B. I believe that a certain non-scientific explanation for the fossil record is a better explanation than the scientific one
C. I believe the non-scientific explanation in B is the truth.
And I haven't even got into the lack of evidence for such alien intervention
With respect to evidence of aliens: "Lucy" - for example - might be the remains of one of the very aliens I'm talking about.
So this renders neither of your two theories as scientific and shows that you are just trolling this board ... You are playing games.
If you lack the intelligence and imagination and scientific aptitude and humility to accept my teachings, whose fault is that?

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Dredge
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Message 1185 of 1385 (854141)
06-05-2019 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1157 by Tanypteryx
06-03-2019 1:27 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Tanypteryx writes:
Why do you think macroevolution is related to breeding?
Er ... because if animals don't breed, there will be no evolution at all, let alone macroevolution.
You don't seem to know anything about macroevolution.
NO ONE knows anything about macroevolution - including you. You haven't got a bloody clue how you would go about breeding a winged-insect from a non-winged-insect, for example ... you wouldn't even know where to start!
Tanypteryx: "We already know how macroevolution occurs". HA HA HA! What a joke!

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Dredge
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Message 1186 of 1385 (854144)
06-05-2019 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1175 by Pressie
06-04-2019 8:48 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Pressie writes:
If a dog could eventually be bred into a non-dog it would completely falsify evolutionary theory as that is the opposite of what evolutionary theory predicts.
Is that so? Please do explain.
If a reptile could be bred into a bird, would that be the opposite of what evolutionary theory predicts too? How about a single-cell organism being bred into a double-cell organism?
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Message 1195 of 1385 (854312)
06-07-2019 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1165 by Meddle
06-03-2019 9:51 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Meddle writes:
, "Where did I come from?"
Well it could have been something like Keretsa brutoni which dates to 555 Ma
The articles says, “Keretsa shows similarities with arthropods, including antennalike appendages, but lacks distinct trunk limbs and, probably, genuine bilateral symmetry” (the “antennalike appendages” claim sounds rather optimistic, btw)
This critter sounds a long way from a trilobite, which features genuine symmetry, distinct articulated trunk limbs, compound eyes, very distinct antennae, gut and brain.
Wikipedia (Trilobite”) says, “Early trilobites show all the features of the trilobite group as a whole; transitional or ancestral forms showing or combining the features of trilobites with other groups (e.g. early arthropods) DO NOT SEEM TO EXIST.” (emphasis added)
(But wait! Wiki then goes on to say, “That trilobites share a common ancestor with other arthropods before the Ediacaran-Cambrian boundary is still reasonable to assume.” Well, of course it is - what else would you expect a bunch of “blind faith” evolutionists fanatics to say?!)
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Dredge
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Message 1196 of 1385 (854317)
06-07-2019 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1180 by Taq
06-04-2019 1:38 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Taq writes:
Synapsids are aminotes
Fine. Tell AZPaul3 - he was the one who “informed” me that synapsids evolved from amniotes (#1149).
The one trick they haven't tried is to allow dogs to breed in large populations over millions of years to get rid of the harmful mutations and accumulate much more genetic variation
Hmmm, what should I believe? A mountain of empirical evidence based on thousands of years of dog breeding, or your pseudo-scientific speculations based on wishful thinking?
Humans and chimps differ by 2% at the genetic level. Can you show me two dog breeds that differ by 2% at the genetic level?
Huh? You’re comparing the genetic differences between two genera (humans and chimps) to the genetic differences within one genera (dogs)?
All descendants of dogs will be dogs. What can change is the variety and number of dog species.
I already know that, because thousands of years of dog breeding has demonstrated that there are limits to how far the dog genome can be stretched - ie, thousands of years of empirical evidence that falsifies the Darwinian explanation for the fossil record.
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Dredge
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Message 1197 of 1385 (854318)
06-07-2019 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1179 by vimesey
06-04-2019 10:21 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
vimesey writes:
Yep - we do spend a lot of time raking over the world's troubles on these pages, but it's good to remember we've come a long way, (even if there is still a long way to go).
A good start to solving the world's problems would be to eradicate feminism - it's demonic, anti-life, Marxist poison.
How do you slowly but surely destroy a civilization? Simple - you inject it with the insanity-inducing, life-destroying poison of feminism. The subsequent low-birth rates are guaranteed to eventually bring down even the most advanced civilizations. But really, a civilization that's too stupid to even reproduce in sufficient numbers doesn't deserve to survive.

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Dredge
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Message 1210 of 1385 (854387)
06-08-2019 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1189 by Tanypteryx
06-05-2019 10:41 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Tanypteryx writes:
The process of breeding (artificial selection) reduces genetic diversity in an attempt to produce uniform purebreds. There is a target phenotype and any offspring that deviate are culled.
Evolution increases diversity, with some phenotypes producing more surviving offspring than others.
So, what is your grand plan for breeding insects to radically evolve without reducing genetic diversity? You must have a secret method that defies the knowledge gained from thousands of years of animal and plant breeding - either that or your Darwinist model is divorced from reality. I suspect the latter ...
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Dredge
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Message 1211 of 1385 (854389)
06-08-2019 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1206 by ringo
06-07-2019 12:57 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
ringo writes:
Excuse me? Are you suggesting that there are not enough people for human civilization to survive? I think you might have counted wrong.
Pull your brainwashed head out of the sand and consider what's happening in Japan. It's quickly heading for disaster due to its dangerously low birth-rate. Most of the blame for that can be placed at the feet of feminism.
Every nation that has embraced feminsim now has below-replacement birth-rates.
If a cattle breeder discovered more of his herd were dying than being born, he would rightly consider that a dire emergency and a recipe for certain disaster. Think about it.
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Dredge
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Message 1216 of 1385 (854483)
06-09-2019 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1212 by AZPaul3
06-08-2019 1:17 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
A below-replacement birth-rate eventually leads to an ever-increasing ageing population - ie, not many young people and lots of old people. If left unchecked, this will produce an economic disaster - huge chunks of workers' (young people) income will need to be taxed in order to support all the elderly. It could theoretically get to the stage where this welfare tax is so high that workers (the young) are virually working for no financial gain at all. Imagine the potential situation in which (on average) one worker has to support five or ten of the elderly (ie, non workers).
In Japan, such a situation is looming - it is estimated that in about twenty years, ONE THIRD of the population will be aged above 60. Feminism is worse than a fool's paradise - it's a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and a death trap.

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Dredge
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Message 1217 of 1385 (854484)
06-09-2019 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1215 by ringo
06-08-2019 12:03 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
You're assuming the birth-rates of the immigrants will be healthy. But what if the immigrant women are brainwashed by feminism as well? They won't reproduce in sufficient numbers either.

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Dredge
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Message 1219 of 1385 (854487)
06-09-2019 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1214 by vimesey
06-08-2019 4:20 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
The "replacement" level birth rate in first-world countries is about 2.1 children/ woman. I can't find any "feminist" countries that have a birth-rate at or above this level.

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Message 1220 of 1385 (854488)
06-09-2019 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1187 by Pressie
06-05-2019 5:45 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
If you know how macroevolution occurs, how would you bred synapsids to evolve into mammals?

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Dredge
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Message 1221 of 1385 (854489)
06-09-2019 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1189 by Tanypteryx
06-05-2019 10:41 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Tanypteryx writes:
you are correct about one thing, I don’t know how to breed a winged-insect from a non-winged-insect
No kidding? You - the expert on "how macroevolution occurs" - wouldn’t even know where to start!
I might not be able to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect, but I can change a caterpillar into a butterfly, simply by feeding it the right food.
Oh well, say no more - that confirms it - you really DO know “how macroevolution occurs” - your knowledge is right up there with your average ten year-old!
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Message 1222 of 1385 (854490)
06-09-2019 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1191 by Taq
06-05-2019 11:28 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Taq writes:
Due to the contingent nature of evolutionary histories, we shouldn't observe modern reptiles evolving into birds. If you understood how evolution works, you would already know this.
Okay, well if you had access to ancient reptiles (ie, the evolutionary ancestors of birds) please explain how you would breed them to produce birds.

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