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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 596 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Whether or not you characterize it as a "political term" you still know what it refers to, don't you?
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Sarah Bellum writes: But there, you see, when you say that a termination in the ninth month is for serious health reasons, you're conceding that it's a different situation from a termination at, say, seven weeks. Everyone concedes that, even SCOTUS as part of the Roe v. Wade decision. Most people are just fine with a ban on elective abortions after the 24th week, the point at which the fetus is viable outside of the womb. For the record, less than 1% of abortions are "partial birth abortions" (D&X), so that is a red herring.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
But the political term does not exist in reality and medicine. It is a charged term that has no reflection in reality. Do you mean intact dilation and extraction? If so that is the term you should use.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
But there, you see, when you say that a termination in the ninth month is for serious health reasons, you're conceding that it's a different situation from a termination at, say, seven weeks. Sure there's a difference, but in degree, not in kind. But if you look at the exchange to which you were replying, you had brought up the difference between a fetus not yet born and an infant who had been born. That is a difference in kind.If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
When you say it's not a reality do you mean it doesn't happen, or that it shouldn't be permitted? The former. I haven't looked real hard cuz I'm lazy but I don't see in any of my meager research where a 39-week abortion was evidenced. Since as I said, at 39 weeks she's on the verge of asking about her education fund, I cannot fathom her mother allowing such a thing without the most extreme of circumstances. Late term abortion, which is rare anyway, is a political strawman that lets the anti forces think they have standing to ban it all. Your 39-week comment I took as support in that direction. Am I wrong?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
I have asked repeatedly for evidence of a 39 week abortion. No one seems to be able to provide any.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
From The Guardian:
Doctors' organization: calling abortion bans 'fetal heartbeat bills' is misleading Not much I can add to this.
“Arbitrary gestational age bans on abortion at six weeks that use the term ”heartbeat’ to define the gestational development being targeted do not reflect medical accuracy or clinical understanding,” said Dr Ted Anderson, president of [the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists]. The organization represents 58,000 physicians across the US. “Pregnancy and fetal development are a continuum. What is interpreted as a heartbeat in these bills is actually electrically induced flickering of a portion of the fetal tissue that will become the heart as the embryo develops,” Anderson said. In addition, the Guardian has updated its style guide more accurately to reflect abortion bans spreading across the United States. Instead of using “fetal heartbeat bills”, as the laws are often called by anti-abortion campaigners, the Guardian will make “six-week abortion ban” the preferred term for the laws, unless quoting someone, in order to better reflect the practical effect of the laws.If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation. |
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
We also know what "Jewish conspiracy" refers to. It's a real term but not a real thing. Whether or not you characterize it as a "political term" you still know what it refers to, don't you?Izquierdo.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 596 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
If someone refers to "partial birth abortion" do you know what they are referring to?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 596 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
So the dividing line is at birth?
Or is the dividing line earlier? That is, do you think there should be more restrictions on later-gestation than on early-gestation abortions?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 596 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Is it a "straw man" in that it never happens, or that you're not saying restrictions on it happening shouldn't be on the books?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 596 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Oh indeed! For example, if I were to use the term "unicorn" you would be within your rights to say that such a thing doesn't exist.
Now, if I were to use the term partial-birth abortion would you be within your rights to say such a thing never happens?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Is it a "straw man" in that it never happens, or that you're not saying restrictions on it happening shouldn't be on the books? The "it" I'm talking about is this 39-week abortion. Does it really exist? I don't think so. I think it's a sham, a straw man, fabricated to inflame passions against woman's rights and abortion at any time.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
No I do not. That is the problem. Define it for me. It is a legal term that has no basis in reality.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Still waiting for someone to show a 39 week abortion happening. Anyone?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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