Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 67 (9028 total)
35 online now:
PaulK, Tangle (2 members, 33 visitors)
Newest Member: JustTheFacts
Post Volume: Total: 884,103 Year: 1,749/14,102 Month: 117/624 Week: 1/95 Day: 1/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Atheism - who knew?
Tangle
Member
Posts: 8087
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 3.8


(1)
Message 1 of 27 (854131)
06-02-2019 8:47 AM


The Vatican has just held a scientific conference on atheism with the University of Kent who has published its research findings on:

“The global Understanding Unbelief program to advance the scientific understanding of atheism and nonreligion will today (May 28) present results from its research at the Vatican in Rome”

quote:
Key findings from the research include:

Unbelievers exhibit significant diversity both within, and between, different countries

In all six countries, majorities of unbelievers identify as having 'no religion'

Relatively few select 'atheist' or 'agnostic' as their preferred (non)religious or secular identity

Popular assumptions about 'convinced, dogmatic atheists' do not stand up to scrutiny

Unbelief in God doesn't necessarily entail unbelief in other supernatural phenomena and the majority of unbelievers in all countries surveyed expressed belief in one or more supernatural phenomena

A common supposition - that of the purposeless unbeliever, lacking anything to ascribe ultimate meaning to the universe - does not bear scrutiny

Most unbelievers endorse objective moral values, human dignity and attendant rights, and the 'deep value' of nature, at similar rates to the general populations in their countries

Unbelievers and general populations show high agreement concerning the values most important for 'finding meaning in the world and your own life'. 'Family' and 'freedom' ranked highly for all.


https://www.eurekalert.org/...ases/2019-05/uok-vhm052319.php

Well, like I said, who knew?

As I heard Dr Lois Lee speak about this I couldn't work out why I was getting increasingly angry about it. Particularly as her research was debunking falsehoods about atheism. Then I realised it was because I was being spoken about like an alien. Consider this statement

“A common supposition - that of the purposeless unbeliever, lacking anything to ascribe ultimate meaning to the universe - does not bear scrutiny”

This despite the fact that the study found that 50% of the populations they studied were unbelievers so how do they get to their “popular assumption” if 50% are actually atheists and can't be making that assumption? In fact, just that statement speaks of an internal bias.

The unspoken assumption behind this is that atheists aren't human. Though, having said all that, their findings do disprove this obvious nonsense. I think perhaps we would have noticed if half of our population were psychopaths.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


Replies to this message:
 Message 3 by AZPaul3, posted 06-05-2019 1:08 AM Tangle has responded
 Message 6 by Diomedes, posted 06-05-2019 11:14 AM Tangle has not yet responded

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 8087
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 5 of 27 (854139)
06-05-2019 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by AZPaul3
06-05-2019 1:08 AM


AZP writes:

BTW. Did you really expect anything different from the Vatican?

I expect nothing but bollox and self serving paedophilic lies from the Vatican but I do expect more from the University of Kent.

But, as I say, the actual findings were fair - though blindingly obvious.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by AZPaul3, posted 06-05-2019 1:08 AM AZPaul3 has acknowledged this reply

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 8087
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 3.8


(3)
Message 19 of 27 (854249)
06-06-2019 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
06-06-2019 8:49 AM


Re: Catholic vs Protestant
Faith writes:

Some of my fundy friends (uneducated though they are) are convinced that Pope Francis is likely the False Prophet of the book of Revelation. Despite you guys thinking I have drunk the kool-aid, I reject such a belief unless and until I arrive at the same conclusion through my own research.

You addressed this to me but I didn't write it. However.

Your fundie friends will, by definition, be nutters so we can dismiss their primitive superstitious nonsense out of hand.

As far as Francis goes he seems the best of a bad bunch and has his heart roughly where it should be. He's still part of a hugely corrupt and opaque institution though and he's mostly controlled by it.

As for all that incoherent religious blather, I've no time for it, sorry.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 18 by Phat, posted 06-06-2019 8:49 AM Phat has acknowledged this reply

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 8087
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 3.8


(2)
Message 23 of 27 (854271)
06-06-2019 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Phat
06-06-2019 12:56 PM


Re: Hypochristians?
Phat writes:

In the meantime, you and I can continue our debate/discussion.

You're not discussing anything anymore Phat. Where once you'd at least attempt discussion then ignore/ forget what had been said, now you just preach and ignore what has been said.

And by preach, I mean talk religious sounding fundie bollox like the nutters with placards on their backs on street corners.
Find professional help.

Edited by Tangle, : Spelling


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by Phat, posted 06-06-2019 12:56 PM Phat has acknowledged this reply

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2021