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AZPaul3
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Message 2266 of 5796 (854305)
06-06-2019 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2264 by DrJones*
06-06-2019 10:49 PM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
My Old Man was flown in about three months after D-Day. He was a sergeant with the intel corps. Staff S-2 for a bunch of differing commands across Europe. As a chemist in training when he was drafted he spoke German. Most chemistry back then was German (understatement). Met a pretty German girl in Berlin and wrote some sweet love poems to her.
Yeah. Some of us remember.

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Message 2267 of 5796 (854308)
06-07-2019 12:45 AM
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06-06-2019 11:28 PM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
My dad is the youngest of 4, he was born in 44 in The Hague, Netherlands. My grandparents, him and his siblings lived under Nazi occupation (though of course he doesn't remember it). My eldest aunt tells of a friend of hers who was shot in the street by the Nazis cause he stole a loaf of bread. My grandfather had to hide under the floorboards to escape being conscripted by the Nazis, he eventually got a fake ID that gave his age as being outside the range of workers that the nazis were "recruiting". As members of the dutch resistance my grandparents helped Jews escape the Netherlands, their house was a way station on the route out. I have an "aunt" who was too young to travel with her family so she stayed with my father's until after the war when her only living relative was located in Australia. Her family never got out, they were captured and sent to the camps. Her mother and siblings were marched off the train and into the showers to be murdered, her father was put to work and died a few weeks before the camp was liberated.
in short: Go out and punch a Nazi today.
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Faith 
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Message 2268 of 5796 (854309)
06-07-2019 1:03 AM
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06-06-2019 10:49 PM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
You are going to keep up that llyng llne about Trump no matter what, aren't you? And by doing so YOU are among those pushing the fascist mentality because Trump is no fascist and he did not say that. But his enemies are the fascists, yeah "llberal fascists," yes indeed, and that's where this country is going to go unless you all wake up. Trump is a true American who is serving true American history and values, that's why we on the Right support him and we are sick to death, sick in our souls, because of this llyng stuff from the Trump despisers.
I didn't get to hear his speech today but I heard it was good. He is a true American who truly loves American history and really appreciates what Americans and our allies did on D Day.
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Message 2269 of 5796 (854310)
06-07-2019 1:17 AM
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06-06-2019 11:00 PM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
I appreciate what your father and uncle did, but if they are still alive I would be surprised if they would "proudly cut Trump's throat" because unlike your generation I'd expect that they would recognize that he stands for what they fought for and you don't.
And I suspect "most Americans" these days have NO knowledge at all of D Day.

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Message 2270 of 5796 (854311)
06-07-2019 1:22 AM
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06-06-2019 11:28 PM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
I'm glad you remember and your father was there. Mine wasn't, he was in the wrong age group. As I said to the dragonfly I would be surprised if your father is/would be an enemy of Trump today. My father would not be, he'd be in agreement with me. I just feel bad that in the sixties I agreed with the radicals and argued with him about that. I feel REALLY bad about that when I remember it. He wasn't even a Republican, he was a Democrat, but he was a true patriot, as Trump is.

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Message 2271 of 5796 (854313)
06-07-2019 1:28 AM
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06-07-2019 12:45 AM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
You have a great family story, llke the story of the Dutch Ten Boom family who also rescued Jews. They got put in a concentration camp for their trouble but as I recall the Jews escaped. The whole Ten Boom family died, except Corrie who went on to tell their story.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2272 of 5796 (854314)
06-07-2019 1:28 AM
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06-07-2019 1:17 AM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
I suspect you have NO knowledge at all of America. And they hate everything he stands for.

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Message 2273 of 5796 (854315)
06-07-2019 1:31 AM
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06-07-2019 1:28 AM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
Is either of them still alive?

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Message 2274 of 5796 (854316)
06-07-2019 1:35 AM
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06-07-2019 1:28 AM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
They hate everything Trump stands for? Such as what? Secure borders? Legal immigration over illegal? Trade and tax policies that have greatly improved the economy and produced an enormous number of jobs? WHAT would/do they oppose?

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Message 2275 of 5796 (854327)
06-07-2019 5:15 AM


The D-Day remembrance ceremonies was a very a very big thing for us here in the UK and France.
Trump was here partly to participate in them. He behaved characteristically badly just before he landed tweeting that the mayor of London was a “stone cold loser”.
But as he absorbed our hospitality he mellowed and said some un-characteristically graceful things. Actually no-one could have survived the charm offensive he received and he physically saw the importance of nations working together on important common causes. I think the D-Day stuff actually made him think just a little bit beyond 'America first' isolationism.
But maybe I'm just wishful thinking.

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Message 2276 of 5796 (854328)
06-07-2019 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2262 by jar
06-06-2019 11:19 AM


Re: My new hero
jar writes:
Did you actually read what you quoted?
Yes, I did. The focus is not simply on Donald Trump and his perception by the populist masses who feel marginalized in an increasingly globalist and inclusivist world. The focus should be on the populist masses themselves. (Yes, Faith that includes you and me)
Do you recall some of our early conversations here at EvC about the aberration? The ramped up industrial capacity of the United States after WWII? Britain too benefitted from the power of the United States..and in one sense we as a nation were "great" in a raw power sense. Many populists equate morality and family values of the early 20th century with worship and reverence for God and His laws, but I think this is missing the point. It may well be true that America was "great" but we as a people have never been any Holier or nobler than any other people on this planet---even though we knew Jesus and many of them did not.
What people yearn for nostalgically and what they feel Donald Trump can do for them is to restore power and dignity to America. The problem with this approach is that gaining back that power comes with a tragic cost. The loss of respect and reverence that the rest of the world has for us---as individual people and collectively as a nation.

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Message 2277 of 5796 (854329)
06-07-2019 8:00 AM
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06-07-2019 7:40 AM


Re: My new hero
Phat writes:
What people yearn for nostalgically and what they feel Donald Trump can do for them is to restore power and dignity to America. The problem with this approach is that gaining back that power comes with a tragic cost. The loss of respect and reverence that the rest of the world has for us---as individual people and collectively as a nation.
And the quote was all praise for Trumps uncivilized behavior and boorishness.
Being a Fascist Boor seldom engenders respect.
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Message 2278 of 5796 (854331)
06-07-2019 8:21 AM
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06-07-2019 1:03 AM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
Please define what
llberal fascists
are?
The term makes no sense.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 2279 of 5796 (854332)
06-07-2019 8:29 AM
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06-07-2019 1:03 AM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
I don't really want to listen to your idiocy. Here an actual scholar destroys the whole notion. Remember Jonah Goldberg is a grifter and a fraud. He only says what he says to make money off of the rubes.
The Scholarly Flaws of "Liberal Fascism" | History News Network
quote:
Jonah Goldberg tells us he wrote this book to get even. The liberals started it by “insist[ing] that conservatism has connections with fascism” (p. 22). Conservatives “sit dumbfounded by the nastiness of the slander” (p. 1). “The left wields the term fascism like a cudgel” (p. 3). So Jonah Goldberg has decided it is time to turn the tables and show that “the liberal closet has its own skeletons” (p. 22). After years of being “called a fascist and a Nazi by smug, liberal know-nothings” he decides that “responding to this slander is a point of personal privilege” (p. 392).
Feeling oneself a victim is wonderfully liberating. Anything goes. So Jonah Goldberg pulls out all the stops to show that fascism “is not a phenomenon of the right at all. It is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left” (p. 7). The reader perceives at once that Goldberg likes to put things into rigid boxes: right and left, conservative and liberal, fascist and non-fascist. He doesn’t leave room for such complexities as convergences, middle grounds, or evolution over time. Thus Father Coughlin was always a man of the left, and so was Mussolini (Giacomo Matteotti or the Rosselli brothers, leaders of the Italian left whom Mussolini had assassinated, would have been scandalized by this view). The very mention of a “Third Way” puts one instantly into the fascist box.
If you could read I would tell you to read the whole article. But you won't.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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JonF
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Message 2280 of 5796 (854335)
06-07-2019 9:24 AM
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06-07-2019 1:35 AM


Re: Today is the anniversary of D Day, does anyone care?
Moronic and barbaric policies that won't secure our borders. Trade policies that are ruining our farmers and manufacturers. Stephen Miller who opposes all immigration. Tax policies that gave a small, short boost to the economy, a humungous giveaway to the 1%, an unprecedented leap in the deficit and the debt (which Republicans pretend is unforgivable sin when Democrats are in charge), and a mix of small decreases and significant increases in the taxes of the poor and middle class.
There's more, but that covers what you unthinkingly regurgitated.
ABE I can't resist adding the administration's contempt for law and the Constitution , ignoring statutory requirements and implementing blatantly illegal policies. The latest abomination being the removal of recreation, legal counsel, and school for migrant children, which is blatantly unconstitutional (right of legal representation) and a violation of the Flores settlement. If they really don't have the money Trump can declare an emergency and steal the money from elsewhere.
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