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Topic: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1157 of 1385 (853948)
06-03-2019 1:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 1154 by Dredge
06-03-2019 1:00 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
You’re a professional biologist and you claim to “know how macroevolution occurs”, yet you are clueless as to how you would breed a mammal from a reptile? Why do you think macroevolution is related to breeding? You don't seem to know anything about macroevolution.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1158 of 1385 (853950)
06-03-2019 1:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 1153 by Dredge
06-03-2019 12:58 AM
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Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
I appreciate that, as an atheist, you have no choice but to believe the Darwinist narrative I have no idea what you are talking about here. What is the Darwinist narrative? And what's it got to do with atheists?
even if creatures appear out of nowhere in the fossil record. In a thousand years' time, atheists will still be using this excuse - "the fossil record is incomplete!" Well, those atheists are persistent.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1189 of 1385 (854153)
06-05-2019 10:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 1185 by Dredge
06-05-2019 2:44 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes: Why do you think macroevolution is related to breeding?
Er ... because if animals don't breed, there will be no evolution at all, let alone macroevolution. Animals don't breed, animals mate. Breeding is a human activity that involves selecting organisms with specific traits to be bred in hopes of enhancing those traits in offspring. The only part of the breeding process that is similar to evolution is both require sex. The process of breeding (artificial selection) reduces genetic diversity in an attempt to produce uniform purebreds. There is a target phenotype and any offspring that deviate are culled. Evolution increases diversity, with some phenotypes producing more surviving offspring than others.
Dredge writes: You don't seem to know anything about macroevolution. NO ONE knows anything about macroevolution - including you. You haven't got a bloody clue how you would go about breeding a winged-insect from a non-winged-insect, for example ... you wouldn't even know where to start! Well, YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING about macroevolution. I know all sorts of things about macroevolution, that you do not. And you are correct about one thing, I don't know how to breed a winged-insect from a non-winged-insect. I am puzzled why you think biologists are breeders? I might not be able to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect, but I can change a caterpillar into a butterfly, simply by feeding it the right food.
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx: "We already know how macroevolution occurs". HA HA HA! What a joke! Yep, and the joke is on you. We know what macroevolution is AND how it occurs, while you don't even know what macroevolution is. Breeding is not enhanced evolution and any idiot should be able to tell the difference just by comparing at the end results. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1208 of 1385 (854353)
06-07-2019 1:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 1207 by AZPaul3
06-07-2019 1:29 PM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Yes, of course. Giving men and women equal political, economic and social opportunities is such an evil thing since it negates the religious creed that women are inferior beings. Property.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1213 of 1385 (854391)
06-08-2019 1:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 1210 by Dredge
06-08-2019 12:50 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Mutations
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1228 of 1385 (854505)
06-09-2019 11:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 1221 by Dredge
06-09-2019 3:25 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes: you are correct about one thing, I don’t know how to breed a winged-insect from a non-winged-insect
No kidding? You - the expert on "how macroevolution occurs" - wouldn’t even know where to start! Not an expert, but I know what macroevolution is, and you do not.
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes: I might not be able to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect, but I can change a caterpillar into a butterfly, simply by feeding it the right food. Oh well, say no more - that confirms it - you really DO know “how macroevolution occurs” - your knowledge is right up there with your average ten year-old! I know that breeding is not is not a surrogate for evolution and you do not.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1229 of 1385 (854508)
06-09-2019 11:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 1225 by Dredge
06-09-2019 5:23 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes: Mutations.
If I asked you how to breed a sheep dog from wolves and you simply said "Mutations" I would have no idea about how to perform such a feat ... then I would conclude you know next to nothing about the subject. Yeah, but you didn't ask me that, did you? You asked Message 1210:
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So, what is your grand plan for breeding insects to radically evolve without reducing genetic diversity?
Mutations is the obvious answer to reducing genetic diversity, but a grand plan for breeding insects is your delusion.
Dredge writes: then I would conclude you know next to nothing about the subject. And you would be correct, I know nothing about breeding sheep dogs from wolves and neither do you. You are apparently operating under the delusion that breeding and evolution are the same thing, but you are wrong.
Dredge writes: Face it, you have absolutely no idea how you would go about breeding non-winged insects to evolve into winged insects. And I note, I never claimed to have any ideas about this at all, but I have said that breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.
Dredge writes: Your claim to possessing macroevolutionary knowledge appears be delusionary and bogus. Well, your delusions on the subject are quite obvious, so until you know what you are talking about, no one else will know what you are talking about either.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1245 of 1385 (854745)
06-12-2019 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 1243 by Dredge
06-12-2019 2:00 AM
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Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge the Humiliater writes: Ah, I see you've changed your tune - you've gone from claiming to "know how macroevolution occurs" to "I know what macroevolution is". Nope, I know what macroevolution is AND how it occurs.
Dredge the Humiliater writes: Moving the goalposts isn't going to help you - if you really did "know how macroevolution occurs", you would know how to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect. But you haven't got a clue about how to perform such a feat, because you only know how MICROevolution (genetic variations within a extant population) occurs. Your problem is a complete lack of knowledge about evolution, microevolution, and macroevolution. How humiliating.
Since I know what macroevolution is and how it works and since I know what evolution is and how it works, and you do not, you will have to up your gave if you want to see me humiliated. Repeat after me:
Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution. Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution. Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution. Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution. Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 1262 of 1385 (856088)
06-26-2019 11:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 1261 by AZPaul3
06-26-2019 1:57 AM
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AZPaul3 writes: Dredge writes: all this information would have be gained and these uses would have been developed if everyone believed life on earth was 100 years old
Goalpost Leviosa! Echos from under a bridge.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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