Was the revolting of French nationals against a Nazi German invasion and occupation premised on racial lines?
That was a case of national sovereignty, not racism. The US is not being taken over by a foreign government.
On a related note, there was discrimination against Irish catholics and catholics in general because they were viewed as Papists, people who would take orders from the Pope and threaten US sovereignty.
Don't get me wrong, Laura more than likely harbors some racist tendencies, but that of course is designed to exemplify said racist tendencies of conservatives. Of course, it could also be said that liberal notions about what constitutes racism is itself misguided.
How many overt racists vote for Democrats? As people have noted, it might be difficult to say whether Trump supports racists, but there is no secret that racists support Trump.
discrimination against Irish catholics and catholics in general because they were viewed as Papists, people who would take orders from the Pope and threaten US sovereignty.
Right, so was it racist for Nativists to oppose them or were there other factors at play that more closely resemble xenophobia versus racism? I'm saying an opposition to immigration or certain kinds of immigration is not necessarily racist. Like most things, its a complicated issue with a lot of moving parts.
How many overt racists vote for Democrats?
Well, 93% of black Americans voted for Obama... that's an enormous percentage and it would be difficult to say that race didn't play a significant role. As for white liberals in general, its long been believed that pandering to the minority vote isn't out of deference to minorities so much as it is a political expediency and a political strategy.
As people have noted, it might be difficult to say whether Trump supports racists, but there is no secret that racists support Trump.
No argument there... white nationalists and closeted racists alike love Trump. He's a piece of shit and he attracts other pieces of shit.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Sure it is. A bunch of people from a different cultural that speaks a different language came to North America to forever change the landscape of that native culture. How's that not the same?
It says absolutely nothing about the reactions of the indigenous people to the newcomers - which was what you were saying.
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Okay, that's a fair objection, you're right. So lets look at the legal immigration of the Irish into America. The resentment obviously wasn't racially motivated but rather one of a culture shock.
It obviously wasn’t based on today’s racial classifications - but why would it be ? So no, it isn’t obvious that it wasn't racially motivated.
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If you think that conservatism is automatically analogous to racism then you run the exact same risk of assuming qualities based on prejudice, which is precisely what makes racism so odious.
Obviously I don’t think that and nothing I have said comes close to saying that.
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Its not evidence, its an accusation based on a single example. One can always find an example, but it doesn't de facto speak to an entire group.
If you think that is the only evidence then you are blind. There is more to come. There are other examples in the thread I spun this out of. I’m just taking a more detailed look at each example.
Right, so was it racist for Nativists to oppose them or were there other factors at play that more closely resemble xenophobia versus racism?
How much difference is there between xenophobia and racism? Was segregation in the South a case of xenophobia?
Well, 93% of black Americans voted for Obama... that's an enormous percentage and it would be difficult to say that race didn't play a significant role.
Nearly the same number voted for Hillary. If anything, Obama increased black voter turnout.
It says absolutely nothing about the reactions of the indigenous people to the newcomers - which was what you were saying.
The face of an indigenous American with the caption speaking about not liking immigration and then saying, "splendid, when you do you leave" is not a reaction to European immigration into the America's? Maybe you can explain it then.
It obviously wasn’t based on today’s racial classifications - but why would it be ? So no, it isn’t obvious that it wasn't racially motivated.
Europeans don't hate gypsies because of the amount of melanin in their skin... they loathe them because of their cultural beliefs on thievery. Likewise, the people who who are against illegal immigration do not object to it on racial lines but rather the implications. A lot of black Americans and white Americans object to it for similar reasons. American and Russian tension isn't because they're white. There are a sociological and ideological reasons. I'm simply offering the caveat that people throwing around the catch-all term of "racist" is an aspersion thrown around rather loosely.. by doing so it waters down what racism actually is.
If you think that is the only evidence then you are blind. There is more to come. There are other examples in the thread I spun this out of. I’m just taking a more detailed look at each example.
So which it? Is Republicanism analogous to racism or not?
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
What it seems is being missed by a few people in the thread are the very basic differences between the Europeans incursion into the Americas and immigration today. The White Christian Europeans came in, simply took possession of lands and resources, constantly broke every treaty they made, killed the Native Americans, used systematic genocide on the Native Americans, and then put them in gulags.
So far there has not been even one recent such incident in the US from any immigrant group.
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The face of an indigenous American with the caption speaking about not liking immigration and then saying, "splendid, when you do you leave" is not a reaction to European immigration into the America's? Maybe you can explain it then.
I’m talking about the actual text of the post. And why would you think an image created recently and addressing a modern issue is about attitudes of centuries ago ?
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Europeans don't hate gypsies because of the amount of melanin in their skin... they loathe them because of their cultural beliefs on thievery.
Racism is not just about melanin, and the Roma are largely hated because they are of an ethnic group considered to be “other”.
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Likewise, the people who who are against illegal immigration do not object to it on racial lines but rather the implications.
If the “implication” they are concerned about is that there will be more people of a particular ethnic group (or groups) in the population then it almost certainly is racism
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I'm simply offering the caveat that people throwing around the catch-all term of "racist" is an aspersion thrown around rather loosely.. by doing so it waters down what racism actually is.
It seems to me that you are trying to muddy the waters to hide the racism.
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So which it? Is Republicanism analogous to racism or not
The fact that there is racism within modern Republicanism does not “make Republicanism analogous to racism”. If you think otherwise you are insane.
Those Canadians are just mean as hell. We hear that your geese block out the sun, which you don’t have much of to begin with. Effective force your geese.
Here in Phoenix in deep winter when temps can be 15-25C (60-80 F) your deep penetration specialists take up residence in various spaces around the valley. These things are mean. When you rev up the engine and make a run at them . slowly . kinda . they get really disturbed and won’t move. They just honk like really mad geeses as they slowly waddle out of the way. I think you folks need to start putting more lithium in their feed.
You mean like brown people and their children eventually becoming citizens and voting?
No, like changing the social structure of the country. You can use Sweden as an example. In many instances the refugees they took in are not only refusing to assimilate, increasing crime to unprecedented levels, but is changing the landscape of Swedish culture and making it resemble the failed state they're escaping from. They're also so terrified of being viewed as racists that the government in many instances buries reports of rape.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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