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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
So the dividing line is at birth? Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying. -
That is, do you think there should be more restrictions on later-gestation than on early-gestation abortions? I don't. I can't speak for anyone else, though.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
So the dividing line is at birth? Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying.- That is, do you think there should be more restrictions on later-gestation than on early-gestation abortions? I don't. I can't speak for anyone else, though. well, I've said 21 years should be the line before (mothers only, fathers not). Maybe I meant 18 years. I can't speak for anyone else either.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's a fully formed baby. Could you watch such an abortion? A stake through the brain of a fully formed baby?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Please show evidence of a fully formed baby being aborted and left to die. Anecdotes are not evidence.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, anecdotes ARE evidence. Ron Paul witnessed it. Lamark posted on that months ago.
The baby is usually killed before complete delivery, not left to die. However, here is a video of the actual procedure. The baby is certainly fully formed. I would mention that the fetus/baby is fully formed and fully recognizable as a human baby months before its birth, just smaller at earlier stages. Babies can survive if delivered much earlier than the usual 39 weeks. The baby in the following video, however, is fully grown. The abortion demonstration begins about 1:00 on the counter: Looks llke they are using a doll. Oh well. I'll keep looking. SOME ILLUSTRATIONS:partial birth abortion photos - Google Search: Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
There are medical reasons. We have no idea what the provenance of this video is. Without provenance it is of no evidentiary value.
Term And Partial Birth Abortions: The Mythical Arch-Nemeses Of The Anti-Choice Movement | HuffPost Women Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nothing would suffice as evidence for you anyway. First you want evidence that such a procedure even exists. I gave what I could find. Now you are apparently accepting that it exists but you want to know why it was performed because to your mind there are reasonable explanations. I don't know if there are such explanations in all cases and don't know how to find out. You'd probably do a better job of that.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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I have no idea what that video is of. I am not going to watch it, because I have no explanation of what it is and where it was filmed or who is the source. It is propaganda. Was it filmed in USA? At what week of pregnancy was it performed? What was the reason? A video like this is not evidence of a 39 week abortion.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Governor of Virginia comments on a bill proposing to legalize abortions up to the moment of birth.
Moment of birth. CNS News.com:
In an interview on WTOP’s “Ask the Governor” on Wednesday, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, a Democrat, explained how a post-birth abortion would proceed.
NBC Washington’s Julie Carey asked Northam whether he supported a bill proposed by Virginia Delegate Kathy Tran (D), which would allow abortions--up to the moment of birth. In response, Northam said that a baby born alive could be “kept comfortable” and then “resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired” - the implication being that the baby could be left to die if the family decided they did not want to keep their child.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
This has been discussed ad nauseum.
ABEI notice you are incapable of discussing issues I raised about the video Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh gosh of course you must be right, that I am INCAPABLE of discussing them. Actually there's nothing to say. That's your view, you require me to produce something you'll accept, if I can't I can't. Sorry I don't remember what rationalizations for Northan you came up with.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Was it filmed in USA? At what week of pregnancy was it performed? What was the reason?
waiting. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why are you repeating it? That information is not available.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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So the video is meaningless in the debate. If not from US irrelevant to your rants.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah bellum writes:
Do you have evidence that it does? ... if I were to use the term partial-birth abortion would you be within your rights to say such a thing never happens?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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