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JonF
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Message 139 of 953 (854510)
06-09-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Faith
06-09-2019 12:24 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Almost ready. The black helicopters will pick you up tomorrow midnight and put you in Trump’s concentration camp for meaningless ranting using words you don't understand.

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JonF
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Message 147 of 953 (854528)
06-09-2019 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Faith
06-09-2019 5:52 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Let's see. Inveterate asshole, knee-jerk ultra-right loony, swallowing all their bullshit and begging for more. Oh, and, not learning the basic vocabulary; for example, the meaningless phrase "fascist Stalinist mentality". Those are the charges, and under the national emergency we can put you in one of Trump’s concentration camps for legal asylum seekers without any trial or letting anyone know.
I am disappointed that you made no response to:
Moronic and barbaric policies that won't secure our borders. Trade policies that are ruining our farmers and manufacturers. Stephen Miller who opposes all immigration. Tax policies that gave a small, short boost to the economy, a humungous giveaway to the 1%, an unprecedented leap in the deficit and the debt (which Republicans pretend is unforgivable sin when Democrats are in charge), and a mix of small decreases and significant increases in the taxes of the poor and middle class.
There's more, but that covers what you unthinkingly regurgitated.
ABE I can't resist adding the administration's contempt for law and the Constitution , ignoring statutory requirements and implementing blatantly illegal policies. The latest abomination being the removal of recreation, legal counsel, and school for migrant children, which is blatantly unconstitutional (right of legal representation) and a violation of the Flores settlement. If they really don't have the money Trump can declare an emergency and steal the money from elsewhere.

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JonF
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Message 149 of 953 (854541)
06-10-2019 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Faith
06-09-2019 7:19 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
And no clue what those words mean.
Plus no support for Trump's massive failures.
Sad, really.

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JonF
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Message 151 of 953 (854547)
06-10-2019 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by ringo
06-10-2019 11:38 AM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Goddamn big-endians!

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JonF
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Message 229 of 953 (856692)
07-02-2019 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Sarah Bellum
07-01-2019 11:22 PM


quote:
Just 2 percent of immigrants at Ellis Island were denied entry to the United States. “The great contradiction or irony here is that you have a massive inspection process, and you have this restrictionist sentiment and all these people you want to keep out of the country and, at the end of the day, less than 2 percent are rejected,” Cannato says. “At end of day, the process was not really to keep lots of people out; the goal really was to sift out the wheat from the chaff and sift out those who were ”undesirable.’”
Most Immigrants Arriving at Ellis Island in 1907 Were Processed in a Few Hours - HISTORY

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JonF
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Message 230 of 953 (856693)
07-02-2019 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by AZPaul3
07-01-2019 11:45 PM


I saw this first on "Mysteries of heh Abandoned", which I find fascinating.
Ellis Island Immigrant Hospital
quote:
The Ellis Island Immigrant Hospital (also known as USPHS Hospital #43) was the United States’ first public health hospital, opened in 1902 and operating as a hospital until 1930. The hospital is part of the Statue of Liberty National Monument. While the monument is managed by the National Park Service as part of the National Parks of New York Harbor office, the south side of Ellis Island has been off-limits to the general public since its closing.
Constructed in phases, the facility encompassed both a general hospital and a separate pavilion style contagious disease hospital. The hospital served as a detention facility for new immigrants who were deemed unfit to enter the United States after their arrival; immigrants would either be released from the hospital to go on to a new life in America or sent back to their home countries. The hospital was one of the largest public health hospitals in United States history and is still viewed today as an extraordinary endeavor in the public health field.[5]
It was HUGE.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 231 of 953 (856694)
07-02-2019 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by Faith
07-02-2019 5:27 AM


Re: CPB - Gestapo
There is a sleazy trick; the Senate takes any bill from the House they don't like, amends it to remove the entire text, and amends it to contain the funding provisions they want. The Constitution says funding bills must originate in the house, but not that the text creating the funding must be in it when it leaves the House.
The House is not refusing money for humanitarian reasons. The Republicans have been insisting on adding what they know is unacceptable baggage. But on Junde 25:
House Approves Border Aid, Seeking to Curb Trump’s Crackdown
quote:
A divided House voted on Tuesday to send $4.5 billion in humanitarian aid to the border to address horrific conditions facing a crush of migrants, attaching significant rules on how the money could be spent in the first action by Democrats to rein in President Trump’s immigration crackdown.
But the package ” which passed by a vote of 230 to 195 nearly along party lines, only after Democratic leaders toughened restrictions on the money to win over liberal skeptics ” faces a tough path to enactment. A similar measure with many fewer strings binding Mr. Trump has drawn bipartisan support in the Senate. And the House bill faces a veto threat from White House advisers, who regard the Senate bill as the surest way to speed the needed aid to strapped agencies dealing with the migrant influx.
Hours before the House bill passed, Mr. Trump said that he did not like some of the restrictions that lawmakers were seeking to place on the humanitarian funding, but that he badly needed the resources.
“There are some provisions, I think, that actually are bad for children,” Mr. Trump said in an interview for a coming book about his immigration policies. “There are a couple of points that I would like to get out of it, but I also have to get the money to be able to take care of children and families.”
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 235 of 953 (856704)
07-02-2019 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by AZPaul3
07-02-2019 10:25 AM


Re: CPB - Gestapo
Redirect Notice
quote:
Poor conditions including overcrowding, flu outbreaks, and a lack of clean clothes are just par for the course at an El Paso border station, according to a report released Monday by the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Office of Inspector General. In the report, border patrol argues that these conditions are necessary to stem the flow of migrants to the United States.
The report, first obtained by NBC News, detailed the conditions during a May 7 tour of a border station in the El Paso sector and found that only four showers were available for 756 immigrants. Additionally, over half of the immigrants were being held outside in the Texas heat, while the immigrants inside were being kept in cells at over five times their capacity. One cell meant for a maximum of 35 people held 155 adult males with only one toilet and sink. The cell was so overcrowded that the internal temperatures reached over 80 degrees and the men were unable to lay down to sleep.
(Emphasis added)
The Cruelty Is the Point: President Trump and his supporters find community by rejoicing in the suffering of those they hate and fear.

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JonF
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Message 282 of 953 (858329)
07-19-2019 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Faith
07-19-2019 1:38 PM


Denouncing our support of Israel and parroting the Palestinian **** and badmouthing Jews.
Two remarks that some took as anti-Semitic and for which she apologized. Your characterization is ridiculously overblown.
Not to mention denigrating remarks about the US.
Dissent will not be tolerated! We'll have no freedom of speech here!

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JonF
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Message 285 of 953 (858336)
07-19-2019 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by Sarah Bellum
07-19-2019 2:26 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
There are lists of prohibited words. One for the site and one for each user. Admin has greatly expanded Faith's list in an attempt to encourage her to reduce her incoherent and off-topic rants. It isn't having much of an effect in that way, but it does make her messages hard to read.

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JonF
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Message 288 of 953 (858339)
07-19-2019 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Faith
07-19-2019 1:38 PM


Let's see what AOC actually said. https://www.haaretz.com/...tting-u-s-aid-to-israel-1.7129864:
quote:
New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Sunday she viewed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s reelection as part of the ascent of authoritarianism across the world, and that reducing military and economic aid to Israel as a way of signaling opposition to its policies is on the table and can be discussed.
Speaking on Yahoo’s Skullduggery podcast, Ocasio-Cortez called Netanyahu a Trump-like figure and responded in the affirmative when asked whether the Israeli premier’s campaign statements promising to pursue annexation of parts of the West Bank should affect U.S. policy toward the Jewish state.
...
Asked Sunday if she would consider reducing military or economic aid to Israel as a way of signaling opposition to its policies, Ocasio-Cortez responded, I think it’s on the table. I think it is certainly on the table. And I think it’s something that can be discussed.
The freshman congresswoman emphasized that she did not view herself as a leader on the issue, deferring to those who had been leading this for a long time like Rep. McCollum. She said her job was to play a facilitating role in this conversation, and a supportive role in this conversation.
She added, however, that she felt, we need to expand what those policy conversations are.
Horrors! She doesn't blindly support Israel's PM or everything Israel does! She should be drawn and quartered without trial.
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That is exactly what they are: they are concentration camps and if that doesn’t bother you, then [I don’t know], she said as she gestured, adding that she was speaking to those who are concerned enough with humanity to say that ‘Never Again’ means something and... that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the Home of the Free [United States].
"Never Again" is a common phrase used when pledging to never allow the atrocities experienced in the Holocaust to occur again.
We need to do something about it, she told her viewers. This is not just about the immigrant communities being held in concentration camps, it’s a crisis of if America will remain America in its actual principles and values.
Formally, the camps meet the dictionary definition of concentration camps: [/quote] internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.[/quote]
Obviously the association of concentration camps with Nazi Germany engenders very strong feelings. I bet AOC intended that. But the conditions at our southwest border are intolerable and are due almost completely to the zero tolerance policy and this administration's apparent inability to think and plan, admittedly exacerbated by the unexpected increase in migrants.
Nonetheless, what she said is protected speech. Anyone can disagree with or criticize what she said, but the right-wing's personal attacks are not warranted.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 167 days)
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Message 289 of 953 (858340)
07-19-2019 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Sarah Bellum
07-19-2019 2:46 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
All of them and more.

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JonF
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Message 294 of 953 (858346)
07-19-2019 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Sarah Bellum
07-19-2019 3:01 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Mostly.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 167 days)
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Message 295 of 953 (858347)
07-19-2019 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Faith
07-19-2019 3:48 PM


See what I mean about incoherent rants?
Trump’s administration started the concentration camps to enforce the zero humanity policy. There were larger influxes in 2004-2005, 1997-2001, and 1987. They did not result in mass incarceration or the inhumane conditions we see today.
Got any facts to support your claims?
BTW, it's really tiresome to be said to hate America for the crime of disagreeing legally.

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JonF
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Message 311 of 953 (858410)
07-20-2019 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Sarah Bellum
07-19-2019 5:44 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Stalin was a communist. Hitler was a fascist. Follow the actions, not the name.
How many variations of Socialism do you know of?
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