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ringo
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Message 2217 of 5796 (853831)
06-01-2019 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2178 by Faith
05-31-2019 4:03 PM


Re: Errors in judgment of guilt
Faith writes:
Yes, the wrongful convictions are certainly a strong reason to reject the death penalty where there is any doubt at all.
But the justice system is not based on "any doubt at all". It's supposedly based on "reasonable doubt' and there was no reasonable doubt, apparently, in the cases I mentioned. In reality, of course, the justice system is based very much on emotion rather than reason - which is why there is so much racism in the justice system.
Faith writes:
... in principle it is right to punish murderers by death.
Not according to the Bible:
quote:
Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
quote:
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2221 of 5796 (853838)
06-01-2019 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2220 by Faith
06-01-2019 2:55 PM


Re: Errors in judgment of guilt
Faith writes:
My point was that since there have been so many mistakes made, finding innocent people guilty, that for the death penalty we should be holding out for no doubt at all.
And my point is that in our justice system -and in reality in general - there is no possibility of no doubt. Look at yourself, who has no doubt about your conclusions no matter how wrong they are. That's why Jesus said that none of us is qualified to throw the first stone.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2223 of 5796 (853840)
06-01-2019 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2222 by Faith
06-01-2019 3:07 PM


Re: Errors in judgment of guilt
Faith writes:
I had to add that God told Noah that whoever kills a man must be killed by man.
Since God forbade capital punishment before Noah and Jesus forbade it after Noah, I don't see how the statement to Noah can be taken as a command. It seems like more of a prediction.
Faith writes:
As for no doubt, since we have DNA we can now have no doubt.
Even DNA is not infallible.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2248 of 5796 (853915)
06-02-2019 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2224 by Faith
06-01-2019 3:26 PM


Re: Errors in judgment of guilt
Faith writes:
Jesus did not forbid capital punishment....
Yes he did:
quote:
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
That is a de facto end to capital punishment. No qualified executioners = no executions. Period. There is no possibility of humans ever executing humans without disobeying Jesus.
Faith writes:
... so God's word to Noah stands.
You're misusing God's word to Noah:
quote:
Genesis 9:5-6 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
1. It doesn't say anything about murder or an other crime.
2. It says that animals will shed your blood, so it isn't talking about the justice system at all.
3. "the hand of every man's brother" seems pretty clear that it's talking about revenge killings.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2250 of 5796 (853927)
06-02-2019 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2249 by Faith
06-02-2019 2:48 PM


Re: Errors in judgment of guilt
Faith writes:
Nope. See second quote in Message 2232
Your quote is wrong. It ignores what the Bible actually says and spins it into the opposite. That's why you shouldn't pay any attention to commentators or apologists. They're pushing their own agenda.
Go to the source. The source is clear: Genesis 4, Genesis 9 and John 8, all in agreement.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2254 of 5796 (854206)
06-05-2019 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2253 by Faith
06-05-2019 4:19 PM


Re: My new hero
Faith writes:
The woman in London who stabbed the baby Trump blimp and then announced that Trump is the best President we've ever had.
Stabbing is not what I look for in a hero.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2306 of 5796 (854516)
06-09-2019 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2291 by Faith
06-08-2019 9:11 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
Faith writes:
... Llbeftists....
Years ago - it might have been the 1972 federal election - we had a political ad that showed a man putting up a billboard, "Lib."
Then there was another shot of another man putting up, "tive."
Then another shot of the first man, "Liber."
Then another shot of the second man, "vative."
Then finally, a wide shot that showed both men working on the same billboard, "Libervative."
The joke, in case you don't get it, is that both Liberals and Conservatives are too conservative.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2315 of 5796 (854556)
06-10-2019 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2314 by Faith
06-10-2019 1:04 PM


Faith writes:
If you don't care what I'm saying the Censor is making it easier for you.
I **** it. It's *****.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2356 of 5796 (854654)
06-11-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2331 by Faith
06-10-2019 2:51 PM


Faith writes:
Alinsky's Rules for Radicals perhaps?
The rules are pretty much military ideas that have been used for centuries.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2528 of 5796 (860999)
08-15-2019 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2527 by Faith
08-15-2019 12:09 PM


Faith writes:
But I'm for doing whatever WE can to put pressure on him and on Congress at least to make a strong statement.
Are you even willing to work with the majority of the House who are ravening leftist wolves intent on destroying America?

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2532 of 5796 (861003)
08-15-2019 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2529 by Faith
08-15-2019 12:22 PM


Faith writes:
It might be good for them and us if they put their minds to such a good cause and got distracted for a while from destroying the country.
I suspect that the "good cause" you want to support consists of many people who are farther left than any Democrat.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2535 of 5796 (861006)
08-15-2019 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2534 by Faith
08-15-2019 12:52 PM


Faith writes:
The people of Hong Kong? They've been experiencing western style freedom for a long time, why would they be on the Left?
"Western style freedom" is very far to the left of you.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2537 of 5796 (861008)
08-15-2019 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2536 by Faith
08-15-2019 1:02 PM


Faith writes:
Oh now I get it. Of course.
I don't think you do. If you look at the political parties in Hong Kong, the conservative parties tend to be pro-Beijing and the pro-democracy parties tend to be liberal.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2679 of 5796 (861350)
08-20-2019 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2665 by Faith
08-19-2019 6:35 PM


Re: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
Faith writes:
... citizens should be free to donate to such killings to their heart's content.
That sounds kinda crazy, doesn't it?
Is it okay for citizens to donate to gang killings or mass shootings? If my neighbour wants to kill his wife, should I be allowed to donate to the cause because I don't like her either?
It seems pretty clear that you don't really equate abortion with murder.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2745 of 5796 (861451)
08-21-2019 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2743 by Faith
08-21-2019 2:20 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Faith writes:
Obviously he's not talking about ALL immigrants because he says we're only getting the bad ones, meaning there are good ones but we aren't getting them.
"Immigrants" means the ones we are getting.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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