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Theodoric
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Message 181 of 202 (854522)
06-09-2019 4:55 PM


Abortion banned for rape victims and rapists can get custody
How is this for good Christian values.

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When a young woman came to the Family Services of North Alabama office last year for help with trauma, saying she had been raped by her step-uncle when she was 15, rape crisis advocate Portia Shepherd heard something that “killed me, shocked me.”

The step-uncle, who was getting out of jail after a drug conviction, wanted to be a part of their child’s life. And in Alabama, the alleged rapist could get custody.



https://www.msn.com/...ental-rights-are-protected/ar-AACCye6

Going to be fun to listen to Faith defend this.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 182 of 202 (854524)
06-09-2019 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Theodoric
06-09-2019 4:55 PM


Re: Abortion banned for rape victims and rapists can get custody
Why on earth would I defend this? I hope sanity prevails and his claim is denied.
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Sarah Bellum
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Message 183 of 202 (855324)
06-18-2019 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by AZPaul3
06-08-2019 3:35 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Does that mean you think it would be OK to put restrictions on 39-week abortions? How about abortions after viability where no danger to the woman or fetus is present?
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Sarah Bellum
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Message 184 of 202 (855334)
06-18-2019 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Theodoric
06-08-2019 3:38 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
So you're discussing a topic without knowing what . . . ?

OK, here's a quote from https://www.npr.org/...th-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin

Where does the term "partial-birth" abortion come from?

The term was first coined by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in 1995 to describe a recently introduced medical procedure to remove fetuses from the womb. Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal.


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Sarah Bellum
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Message 185 of 202 (855337)
06-18-2019 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Chiroptera
06-08-2019 4:08 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But doesn't this mean an abortion of a 1-week gestation fetus is no different from the abortion of a 39-week gestation fetus?
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Sarah Bellum
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Message 186 of 202 (855338)
06-18-2019 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by ringo
06-09-2019 2:36 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Here's a quote from https://www.npr.org/...th-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin

Where does the term "partial-birth" abortion come from?

The term was first coined by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in 1995 to describe a recently introduced medical procedure to remove fetuses from the womb. Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal.


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ringo
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Message 187 of 202 (855343)
06-18-2019 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Sarah Bellum
06-18-2019 5:58 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:

Where does the term "partial-birth" abortion come from?


I didn't ask where the term comes from. I asked if it ever happens.

And to move thi gs along, if it does happen, what are the circumstances?


All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Theodoric
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Message 188 of 202 (855351)
06-18-2019 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Sarah Bellum
06-18-2019 5:52 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
So you readily admit it's a made up term with no medical basis for the term. There is no birth involved at all. Thank you for repeating evidence I presented and agreeing with me. Still waiting for that elusive 39 week abortion evidence.
Next.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 189 of 202 (855354)
06-18-2019 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by ringo
06-18-2019 6:04 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
I didn't ask where the term comes from. I asked if it ever happens.

Well, if this was Hollywood trickery it looked pretty goddamn real.... and gruesome. It also looked full-term to me.

*** Faith, I really would skip this one if I were you... no matter how curious you are. Think of it as the scene where Indiana Jones was imploring Maryann to not look at the Ark of the Covenant... no matter what.

https://www.mrctv.org/...aphic-partial-birth-abortion-filmed

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Caution note for Faith's sake


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 190 of 202 (855357)
06-18-2019 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2019 7:45 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
So you found a real one, I only found a staged one.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 191 of 202 (855359)
06-18-2019 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Faith
06-18-2019 7:52 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
So you found a real one, I only found a staged one.

It might be staged... might be real... to be honest I had a hard time looking so I really can't validate the authenticity.

*** edit to add: I just sucked it up and watched it... if it wasn't a prosthetic doll filled with goo then the baby appeared to be delivered stillborn. Either way its not a pleasant sight.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 192 of 202 (855360)
06-18-2019 7:58 PM
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06-18-2019 7:56 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Fortunately my eyes are bad so it's hard to see clearly, but I saw enough of it. It's real.
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Theodoric
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Message 193 of 202 (855364)
06-18-2019 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2019 7:56 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Without authentication and provenance it means nothing. You have seen horror movies and war movies havent you?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 194 of 202 (855371)
06-18-2019 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Theodoric
06-18-2019 8:08 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Without authentication and provenance it means nothing. You have seen horror movies and war movies havent you?

Assuming it is real, would you support it or think that's where the line should be drawn?


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 195 of 202 (855374)
06-18-2019 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Sarah Bellum
06-18-2019 5:57 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But doesn't this mean an abortion of a 1-week gestation fetus is no different from the abortion of a 39-week gestation fetus?

You and I have been discussing one issue: whether a person has the right to bodily autonomy. According to that one criterion, a one week old fetus is the same as a 39 week old fetus is the same as the person connected through the life support machine.

There may be other characteristics where these differ, and some people may feel these differences are relevant. You seem to be one of these people.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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