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Message 130 of 953 (854462)
06-08-2019 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
06-08-2019 10:20 PM


Re: Rise of the Liberal Fourth Reich
You are a troll. Being treated like shit on an online forum that you willing go to is not in any sense of the word censorship or fascism. You are an idiot.
And I'll just mention again that Antifa BEATS UP PEOPLE FOR OPINIONS THEY DISLIKE.
Nazi's and the alt-right kill people they dislike. So go fuck yourself.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 140 of 953 (854511)
06-09-2019 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Faith
06-09-2019 12:24 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
FYI. Marxists cannot be fascists. It doesn't work that way. The stupidity burns. How many times has this simple concept been explained to you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 158 of 953 (854576)
06-10-2019 2:48 PM
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06-10-2019 2:02 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Hitler did not have gulags and the christians supported him.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 160 of 953 (854595)
06-10-2019 4:00 PM
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06-10-2019 3:29 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
So christians that were not part of any church opposed him? Those that supported him were not real christians? Evidence please.
Gulags and concentration camps are not the same thing. If you mean concentration camps, say concentration camp. Using correct words will make your trolling look less foolish. But only a little.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 162 of 953 (854600)
06-10-2019 6:11 PM
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06-10-2019 5:57 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Give us names of the good Christians that opposed him. I think it is a huge stretch to say that the Popes Pius XI and Pius XII supported Hitler. Such a stretch that it is untrue. Please show me what you mean that the Popes supported Hitler. You do realize that two different men were Pope while Hitler was in power don't you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 166 of 953 (854607)
06-10-2019 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Faith
06-10-2019 6:21 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
So you got nothing about the Pope.
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And you have one Christian that stood up to little adolph. Go you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 169 of 953 (854610)
06-10-2019 8:10 PM
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06-10-2019 7:56 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Evidence please. Though the Popes were quite remiss in their duties and should be rightly vilified for their lack of action, to call them Hitler supporters requires evidence. Present evidence and I will consider it. Without evidence I will not consider the assertion.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 171 of 953 (854612)
06-10-2019 8:55 PM
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06-10-2019 8:21 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Wikipedia has a pretty good overview of the situation.
Catholic Church and Nazi Germany - Wikipedia
The idea that the Pope supported Hitler comes a lot from the book "Hitler's Pope" by John Cornwell.
Hitler's Pope - Wikipedia
This book was very highly criticized as not being very well researched and reaching spurious conclusions.
The author himself seems to have pulled back from what he presented in the book.
quote:
I would now argue, in the light of the debates and evidence following 'Hitler's Pope', that Pius XII had so little scope of action that it is impossible to judge the motives for his silence during the war, while Rome was under the heel of Mussolini and later occupied by the Germans... But even if his prevarications and silences were performed with the best of intentions, he had an obligation in the postwar period to explain those actions.
quote:
While I believe with many commentators that the pope might have done more to help the plight of the Jews, I now feel, 10 years after the publication of my book, that his scope for action was severely limited and I am prepared to state this.... Nevertheless, due to his ineffectual and diplomatic language in respect of the Nazis and the Jews, I still believe that it was incumbent on him to explain his failure to speak out after the war. This he never did.
This whole thing is just Faith's anti-Catholicism.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 174 of 953 (854616)
06-10-2019 9:38 PM
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06-10-2019 9:18 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
The Popes definitely were did the bare minimum. There is a lot to criticize them over. Their actions helped the rise of Hitler and Nazism. But they were in no way supporters of Hitler. Their inaction helped Hitler, but they were not supporters.
I am not a supporter of the Catholic church or the Popes. I am a firm believer in criticizing institutions and people for the actions they do, but not for things they did not do.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 178 of 953 (854622)
06-10-2019 10:47 PM
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06-10-2019 9:52 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
No please supply it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 179 of 953 (854623)
06-10-2019 10:49 PM
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06-10-2019 10:13 PM


Topic? Maybe?
Please stay on topic.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 181 of 953 (854635)
06-11-2019 8:13 AM
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06-10-2019 11:29 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
What is Phayer's evudence?

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Message 184 of 953 (854655)
06-11-2019 12:13 PM
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06-10-2019 11:29 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
Post the link to the page in the book. I do not see any footnotes that link to a page in the book. The book does not seem to be available online.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 186 of 953 (854668)
06-11-2019 2:11 PM
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06-11-2019 2:00 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
The pages referenced in the footnotes are not available in this preview. You made this statement.
The second goes to a page in a book, and if you scroll down a few paragraphs you'll find a reference to a document in the Argentine archives reporting that the Pope was behind the Ratlines.
You should be able to just post the link. You claim to have linked to this info from the book. Why can you not provide it?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 189 of 953 (854674)
06-11-2019 2:50 PM
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06-11-2019 2:16 PM


Re: The WWII Catholic Ratlines
This is not the Phayer book. This is someone debunking him. Not much of a smoking gun. I have no idea why you would think this would support your contention. The writer makes it clear that the evidence "supposedly" exists and it "supposedly" was written in the name of Pius XII. Until that letter can be verified there is no evidence directly linking the Pope to the ratlines.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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