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There were some members of some churches that opposed him, but the majority of the Protestant churches were apostate because of the liberal theology movement in Germany in the 19th century. Tubingen School. Look it up. I don't care what you believe about anything, I'm sick of your mean snark. And I don't care about the definition of gulags versus concentration camps. I know the difference but I'm making comparisons between various totalitarian fascistic groups. They are all totalitarian, both on the Izquierdo and on the Right. And they all imprison or execute dissenters. I don't know if there were dissenters in the Catholic churches but with the Pope supporting Hitler, who was himself a Catholic, maybe not many if any.Wow, the Mad Censor doesn't want the word "totalitarian" said either. Wow, this is serious censorship of the truth.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Pope at the time was even known as "Hitler's Pope." Look it up yourself.Dietrich Bonhoeffer opposed Hitler and was executed for the attempt to assassinate him. He had friends but I don't know their names. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't HAVE any "anti-Catholicism" that isn't the result of reading things such as that book. When I was reading up on religions back in the eighties, which is what led me finally to becoming a Christian, at first I was certain I was going to become a Catholic. As I kept reading I ran across reasons why I couldn't do that.You always assume I start out anti-Catholic and look for confirmation. That's not how it works. I LEARNED about the Papacy in the last few decades or so. It was fairly recent that I read what the Reformers said, and they were Catholics after all, most of them priests, and they were the ones who brought about the Protestant Reformationl, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY FOUND OUT about the Pope and the teachings of the RCC that contradict the Bible.They certainly didn't start out with objections to the Pope. Luther assumed that the Pope would support his theses against the corruptions in the RC Church, and was astonished when he didn't and instead excommunicated him. As he continued to study the Bible, as well as the teachings of the RC Church and the history of the papacy he eventually came to the conclusion that the papal system is the antichrist. So did other Reformers. They didn't start out anti-Catholic, they were educated into it.Same with me. The big problem I see these days is that there are a lot of Protestants who haven't yet seen how the papacy is the antichrist and the doctrines of the RCC are not Christian but pagan.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Did you run across the information about how the Pope formed the "rat llnes" by which Nazis escaped to South America after the war?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

In my opinion it's better to be an atheist than a Roman Catholic which is basically paganism anyway.Recent Popes put "Mary" in the place of God, pray to her, worship her, pay attention to the communications they get from those apparitions seen here and there by children over the last century or so. Demonic apparitions impersonating "Mary." But even if they were in fact the real Mary worshiping and praying to her is blasphemy. She's a human being, not God. We are only to worship God.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Wikipedia on WWII RatlinesThe role of the Pope is minimized here, but I've seen other accounts that give him a big role.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The link I posted here goes to a truncated Wikipedia page instead of the one I intended to link, but that page is still available if you put "Ratlines" in Google and then scroll to the first Wikipedia entry that has the same address as the one linked here. That's the complete page I linked and there are two footnotes to Phayer. The second goes to a page in a book, and if you scroll down a few paragraphs you'll find a reference to a document in the Argentine archives reporting that the Pope was behind the Ratlines. But it's secondhand information so you can ignore it, which I'm sure you have every desire to do.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Here's the link to the book:Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust - Google Books

The link I just posted in Message 185 goes straight to the page in the book.

It's footnote #4

I did not say the book was by Phayer, it's simply a book that references him, but the mention of a letter in the name of the Pope to the Argentine government asking them to take in Nazis -- which I told you was secondhand information since the original letter wasn't available to the author of the book -- is a very interesting claim it seems to me, suggesting there probably is a real letter behind it. But I knew you wouldn't accept it, as I said when I first brought it up.

Some years ago I started a blog to collect information on the Roman Church. I didn't keep it up for long unfortunately but I did make a list of books on the subject that I hoped to read although I only read a few of them. I just looked at that list wondering if any of them cover the Nazi events and I really can't tell. Avro Manhattan's book The Vatican Holocaustis about Croatia, although chapter 14 seems to mention the ratlines, and it strongly implicates the US by the way:The blog
Roman Catholicism & Other Antichrists & Apostasies
Avro Manhattan book:
WELCOME TO THE REFORMATION ONLINETHE MOST
Chapter 14 of that book:
WELCOME TO THE REFORMATION ONLINETHE MOST Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes that's the reaction I would think any normal person would have, but at EvC I'm so used to everybody objecting to everything I say I'm astonished anyone sees any of it as I do. Of course as a Protestant I'm suspected of nothing more than an emotional sort of anti-Catholicism, for which any information I muster is nothing more than an empty attempt to justify myself. Never occurs to anybody it's the information that turned me against the Pope in the first place.Anyway I'm surprised that anyone at all would get the point of anything I say. I don't want to say thanks, I just want to express amazement. You are just as odious to me as everybody else, but at least on this one subject I'm getting a bit of a reprieve. Not thanks, but maybe congratulations for being sane. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Righto. Of course I should have known. It doesn't matter that the papal system commits egregious crimes of all sorts, from covering up the sexual crimes committed by their priests because of the unbiblical rule of celibacy, committed murders down the centuries to gain or hold onto political power, murdered tens of millions of Jews, Muslims and true Christians in the name of their phony religion, to protecting the Nazi murderers from prosecution, while Protestantism as an ideology doesn't do anything of the sort, to you it's all the same. Remind me to ignore all seeming agreements from now on.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Protestants are certainly sinful but PROTESTANTISM is not as an institution guilty of some kind of organized sin the way the papacy is.