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Message 6 of 505 (851882)
05-03-2019 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by ramoss
05-02-2019 8:51 PM


Re: Biden's running helps Sanders
ramoss writes:
I don't. she is too vulnerable to smears due to her whole Indian heritage , and that can be spun as 'liar' too much. I don't think she's electable.
If that is the case, then she should beat Trump without even trying. I can think of 10 horrible things Donald Trump has said or lied about for every 1 that you can name for Warren. The real challenge for Warren is to soften her image a bit, and the tough task of creating a good campaign office.

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Message 7 of 505 (851883)
05-03-2019 3:38 PM


It might be me, but this is the mental image I get when I picture Biden and Sanders:

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Message 20 of 505 (853663)
05-30-2019 12:59 PM
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05-06-2019 9:55 AM


ramoss writes:
I like Bernies ideas, but he's just too old, and too much of a one issue candidate. Biden just does not enthuse me either. I would like to see someone who hasn't reached their 70th birthday by the time they get sworn in.'
My thoughts exactly. It would be nice to see someone around the ages of Bill Clinton and Obama who can exude some youthful exuberance and connect with people of different age groups. On top of that, anyone in their 60's who has been in politics is probably going to have something sexist, mysogynistic, racist, or anachronistic in their past which can be dug up and paraded about. Biden's actions during the Anita Hill hearings is already troublesome. As Obama demonstrated (and Trump), the less political history you have the better.
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Message 23 of 505 (853668)
05-30-2019 3:31 PM
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05-30-2019 1:11 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
I think in situations where this does come up the candidate's only response should be replaying "Access Holywood tape" and a list of the women who accused Trump, and no other discussion.
The difference is that people who are going to vote for Trump don't care about those things. The real danger is dispassionate Democratic voters who don't show up to the polls. Hillary, for whatever reason, failed to get people to the polls because they weren't that excited to vote for her.

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Message 24 of 505 (853669)
05-30-2019 3:36 PM
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05-30-2019 1:36 PM


Chiroptera writes:
In regards to both Biden and Sanders, I'm mostly worried about women and minorities having to put up with yet another old white man telling them what's good for them.
Years ago I worked a retail job part time. I was busy with some other tasks and failed to help out some customers to the extent they were expecting. They complained to my boss, and I then explained how I really did help them. He patiently explained to me that "perception is reality" when it comes to interacting with the public, and I have remembered that lesson ever since.
This is the problem that Biden and Sanders are going to run up against. They can say and even believe all the right things, but perception is reality. Sometimes it's not what you say, but who says it.
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Message 26 of 505 (853675)
05-30-2019 6:06 PM
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05-30-2019 6:01 PM


Faith writes:
WHAT WOMEN have "accused" Trump of anything?
16 women have accused Trump of inappropriate behavior to sexual assault. Whether these claims are true is another question, but there have been accusations.
One example (the link has the other 15):
quote:
Jill Harth said she had dinner with Trump and her then-boyfriend, George Houraney, in 1992 when Trump allegedly tried to put his hands between her legs. She alleged he also tried to kiss her during a tour of his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida a month later when she and Houraney were there to celebrate solidifying a business contract.
Harth filed a lawsuit in 1997 alleging that Trump groped her and sexually harassed her, but she withdrew the suit, she says, as a condition of settling a separate financial dispute with him.
List of Trump's accusers and their allegations of sexual misconduct - ABC News

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Message 33 of 505 (853756)
05-31-2019 12:38 PM
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05-30-2019 11:00 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
It really doesn't matter which democrat you support. Pick one and go to work for them even if only 2-3 nights a month.
Exactly. All of the current top 15 Democratic candidates are better than Trump, so let's not trip on not having a perfect candidate an instead elect a better candidate.

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Message 38 of 505 (853772)
05-31-2019 3:19 PM
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05-31-2019 1:45 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
I'm have trouble thinking of anyone who would not be better than Trump.
If we limit ourselves to politicians: Ron Paul, Steve King, Sarah Palin, and Rick Santorum (Google it). If I were to think of the one politician who is just above the Trump line I would probably pick Pence, ironically enough.

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Message 49 of 505 (853992)
06-03-2019 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by anglagard
06-02-2019 9:26 PM


Re: Hold that thought
anglagard writes:
Beto is just another jerk off clueless white dude who thinks millennials remember JFK.
I would say Beto is shallow, and he needs a bit more life experience. He has promise, but he isn't ready for the big show quite yet.
Also, millennials remember Obama. He was relatively young, but you could see the intelligent mind chugging away behind those eyes. That's what Beto lacks.

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Message 50 of 505 (853994)
06-03-2019 6:03 PM


Barney Frank, for the lolz
Barney Frank has the best wit of any Democrat in the last 20 years. I wish he was running, if only for the humor he would bring to the campaign. Barney as a running mate would be magnificent. Just thinking about the Frank-Pence debate brings a smile to my face.

  
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Message 64 of 505 (854367)
06-07-2019 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Hyroglyphx
06-07-2019 11:42 AM


Re: The candidates
Hyroglphyx writes:
Elizabeth Warren: Fake. Fake. Fake. She's cut from the same cloth as Hilary Clinton - a fake as fuck blowhard who is the antithesis of Sanders. There is nothing genuine about her, except her genuine desire for power. I have ZERO respect for her. She's a moron and a died-in-the-wool politician. But she will have a big backing from the behemoth that is the DNC. I would like to think that real liberals can see through the smokescreen just like they finally did when they saw the Clinton/DNC derail Bernie.
I am really curious what led you to this opinions. I am not trying to debate any points here, just curious about how other people perceive her.

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Message 73 of 505 (854690)
06-11-2019 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Tanypteryx
06-08-2019 3:30 PM


Re: The candidates
Tanypteryx writes:
And they're all women, but I have a hard time imagining any Democrat in leadership or candidate positions not being hyper-partisan, after dealing with Mitch McConnell and Congressional Republicans this past decade.
That's what I think as well. When Republicans wouldn't even consider Obama's nomination for the Supreme Court they crossed a serious line. After that, they got rid of the fillibuster for nominees once they were in charge. In this atmosphere, just being normal is hyper-partisan in comparison.
For me, I don't like Warren's style, but I wouldn't call her fake. Out of the current field, Warren is really the only one I can point to and name real accomplishments she has made on the behalf of citizens, such as the Consumer Protection agency. Her positions on the accessibility of education is also something I strongly agree with. I just wish hearing her voice didn't make me cringe.

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Message 78 of 505 (854753)
06-12-2019 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by jar
06-12-2019 8:46 AM


jar writes:
I do not think that the US should loose any Democratic Senator to a Presidential bid. I feel almost as strongly about Representatives. For the foreseeable future the US Congress will be more important that the Presidency.
The President proposes but it is the Congress that disposes.
Without a 2/3 majority in the Senate, veto power is still a real thing.

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Message 171 of 505 (860150)
08-05-2019 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by RAZD
08-02-2019 7:45 AM


Re: What is an open border?
RAZD writes:
Here's my stab at it: an open border is one you can walk across without any legal constraint and without any inspection -- like what we have between states.
You may want to check out the inspections needed when crossing the borders of the Nation of California:
CDFA - Plant Health - Pest Exclusion - California Border Protection Stations

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Message 189 of 505 (860477)
08-07-2019 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
08-06-2019 11:44 AM


Re: The Left's Imaginary Racism
Faith writes:
YOU are talking about "brown people," Trump is not, and the Republicans are not.
Are you serious?
What color were all of those people in the caravans that Republicans feared so much? Which border are the Republicans so keenly focused on? The one between the US and the brown people, or the one between the US and the overly considerate white people with endearing accents?
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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