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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
There was never a time in history when there was one man and one woman. There was never a talking snake in history.
You're referring to symbolic language that describes a literal event in history. Dredge writes:
Matthew 25.
Where did you get "forever" from? quote:In case you didn't know, "everlasting" = "forever". And the "he" doing the talking is Jesus. You don't seem to know much about what the Bible says.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Sure they do. Black-and-white is only one of many possible interpretations and more often than not, it's wrong. It's only popular because it's simple. Different interpretations do not make a grey area. Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nothing audacious about that. We don't take leprechauns' opinions of right and wrong seriously, do we? We don't even consider the opinions of things that exist, like cholera bugs. The only "right" and "wrong" ideas that matter to us are our own.
The audacity is that humans think they and not God can determine what is right and what is wrong. Phat writes:
Empty claim.
We wouldn't even have this capability unless God had given us the awareness through the Tree of Knowledge. Phat writes:
Then you should be able to point to the bullet hole.
I believe that when you state that you believe that Jesus Christ is a myth you have essentially shot yourself in the foot. Phat writes:
No. Even if there was such a thing as "internal discernment", it should definitely NOT be used to subvert evidence. Use your internal discernment...it is (or should be) based on more than simple physical evidence.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Maybe you should distinguish between the debate and the actual issue. Debates may have "winners" and "losers" but real issues aren't always so black-and-white. Creationists, apologists and other charlatans love a debate because they can over-simplify their talking points for an audience that already agrees with them. A believer with an audience of believers could read the phone book and "win" the debate. In my world view, there is a cultural war of sorts behind many of these debates.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're welcome to show us one who isn't. I keep asking but you never deliver.
Are you suggesting that *all* apologists are merely hucksters slanging their product? Phat writes:
That isn't the "moral" high ground; it's the logical and objective high ground. The moral high ground would be the fact that I try to be honest about what I know and don't know - i.e. I don't pretend to get my information from communion with some spook.
I know that you claim the moral high ground through your trump card of evidence... Phat writes:
You haven't been anywhere else either, so why would your conclusions be more mature than mine?
... I would question the premature conclusions arising from a scientific community who has never been anywhere other than this dust speck of a planet.... Phat writes:
You have used the same method to reach the conclusion that there are no leprechauns. What"s the difference? Yet through the magic of the maths and physics, the conclusion can be reached that there is NO God.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If I claimed to be in communion with a leprechaun, wouldn't you think I was pretending? Show evidence that the spook exists and we might be able to take the pretense seriously.
ringo writes:
Show evidence that I am pretending. I don't pretend to get my information from communion with some spook. Phat writes:
I've had the exact same experience - but without the prayer.
There have been numerous times when decisions made after a sincere and honest prayer led to the appearance of a needed person being at the exact place that I was going. Phat writes:
Your version is worthless. Don't lie about what I want.
My conclusion is that you guys believe what you want to think. You don't want God to exist...at least not my version. Phat writes:
You contradict yourself. First you say that God shows up in answer to prayer and then you say He wants you to learn through trial and error.
Your version has a God who serves the needs of humanity...whereas my version has a God who foreknows the destiny of humankind and Who allows for them to learn through trial and error yet who helps those who are His. Phat writes:
Thanks. I will. If your God does exist, he's an asshole.
Argue all you want about starving children of other beliefs being ignored. Argue all you want about the many unanswered prayers that could be used as counter-examples to my claim. Phat writes:
I charge you with lying. Stop it.
I charge you as being in willful denial of belief in God. Phat writes:
Demonstrate that I do.
You don't think you need Him. Phat writes:
Leaps of faith are stupid. You wouldn't take a leap of faith off a bridge, would you? If not, you're not being honest with yourself.
Because I allowed myself to take a leap of faith into a place you wouldn't even want to go. Phat writes:
But it's getting better.
Do you think this world is crazy now? It will get worse.... Phat writes:
I keep asking you what the difference is and you never answer. Obviously, you don't know.
Obviously, to you there is no difference between Leprechauns and the God we preach. Phat writes:
Again you contradict yourself. How is that God allowing people to learn through trial and error?
Signs and wonders follow those whom believe. Phat writes:
The believers themselves are my evidence. By their fruit we shall know them.
If you want evidence, I present to you the believers themselves. Phat writes:
And lying is not good fruit. You will grow increasingly angry at the believers. As I have said before, almost everybody I know is a believer. Being angry at them would be exhausting. My father did say that I don't suffer fools gladly, so yes, I do point out stupid arguments made by believers.
Phat writes:
Have you met Faith? And yourself, lately, since you've taken your "arguments" to PreachTube instead of discussing them honestly here.
We will become full of joy. Phat writes:
Again, you contradict yourself. Look, I have a rational mind, but I don't doubt what I know.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AlexCaledin writes:
I notice that you choose a "real" computer to express yourself. Such discussions are futile for it's one's choice, to subscribe to godless "reality" or to the godly life.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's not the point. It isn't a "choice" between godless "reality" or the godly life at all. Even if there is such a thing as the "godly life", he has chosen reality to talk about it. So do all of you believers. Without reality, your "godly life" is strictly internal. In defense of Alex, all that the computer does is assemble letters into words.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
As long as you keep "ultimate or sacred meaning" in there, it's just the same old religious mumbo-jumbo.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Is it better to have "meaning" forced on you by an alien overlord? (How to Cook Forty Humans) On the other hand, the atheist perspective means life has no purpose or meaning....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” (1Corinthians 1:18-19) quote:It's about what you do, not what you believe or what you profess. All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
SHOW US THE LOVE, YOU **** *****!!! Biblical religion is a religion of love....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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... that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts....
Jim Bakker, Rex Humbard, Jimmy Swaggart....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You certainly can. You and Dredge, et al. are the ones who take a verse out of context and try to make it a whole doctrine. You have to look at the context. You can't pit one part of scripture against another.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Call it "nonsense" if you like but Jesus said it, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:22)
ringo writes:
Nonsense. At every Mass, Catholics recite the Apostles' or Nicene Creed, which begin with "I believe ...". It's about what you do, not what you believe or what you profess Dredge writes:
Which is why much of Christianity is a false religion.
Faith and beliefs are absolutely central to Christianity. Dredge writes:
It is doing the will of the Father in heaven, not mouthing "I believe..." at mass. It is the "will of my Father which is in heaven" that humans believe in Him and obey His commandents.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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