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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
ringo
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Message 557 of 3207 (854346)
06-07-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 552 by Dredge
06-07-2019 2:21 AM


Dredge writes:
You're referring to symbolic language that describes a literal event in history.
There was never a time in history when there was one man and one woman. There was never a talking snake in history.
Dredge writes:
Where did you get "forever" from?
Matthew 25.
quote:
45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
In case you didn't know, "everlasting" = "forever". And the "he" doing the talking is Jesus.
You don't seem to know much about what the Bible says.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 559 of 3207 (854360)
06-07-2019 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by Faith
06-07-2019 2:48 PM


Re: Dan barkers godless audio version
Faith writes:
Different interpretations do not make a grey area.
Sure they do. Black-and-white is only one of many possible interpretations and more often than not, it's wrong. It's only popular because it's simple.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 562 of 3207 (854363)
06-07-2019 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 560 by Phat
06-07-2019 3:46 PM


Re: Dan barkers godless audio version
Phat writes:
The audacity is that humans think they and not God can determine what is right and what is wrong.
Nothing audacious about that. We don't take leprechauns' opinions of right and wrong seriously, do we? We don't even consider the opinions of things that exist, like cholera bugs. The only "right" and "wrong" ideas that matter to us are our own.
Phat writes:
We wouldn't even have this capability unless God had given us the awareness through the Tree of Knowledge.
Empty claim.
Phat writes:
I believe that when you state that you believe that Jesus Christ is a myth you have essentially shot yourself in the foot.
Then you should be able to point to the bullet hole.
Phat writes:
Use your internal discernment...it is (or should be) based on more than simple physical evidence.
No. Even if there was such a thing as "internal discernment", it should definitely NOT be used to subvert evidence.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 587 of 3207 (854758)
06-12-2019 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 586 by Phat
06-12-2019 10:14 AM


Re: New Topic Spinoff
Phat writes:
In my world view, there is a cultural war of sorts behind many of these debates.
Maybe you should distinguish between the debate and the actual issue. Debates may have "winners" and "losers" but real issues aren't always so black-and-white. Creationists, apologists and other charlatans love a debate because they can over-simplify their talking points for an audience that already agrees with them. A believer with an audience of believers could read the phone book and "win" the debate.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 589 of 3207 (854765)
06-12-2019 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 588 by Phat
06-12-2019 2:11 PM


Re: New Topic Spinoff
Phat writes:
Are you suggesting that *all* apologists are merely hucksters slanging their product?
You're welcome to show us one who isn't. I keep asking but you never deliver.
Phat writes:
I know that you claim the moral high ground through your trump card of evidence...
That isn't the "moral" high ground; it's the logical and objective high ground. The moral high ground would be the fact that I try to be honest about what I know and don't know - i.e. I don't pretend to get my information from communion with some spook.
Phat writes:
... I would question the premature conclusions arising from a scientific community who has never been anywhere other than this dust speck of a planet....
You haven't been anywhere else either, so why would your conclusions be more mature than mine?
Phat writes:
Yet through the magic of the maths and physics, the conclusion can be reached that there is NO God.
You have used the same method to reach the conclusion that there are no leprechauns. What"s the difference?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 607 of 3207 (854960)
06-14-2019 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 595 by Phat
06-13-2019 5:54 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
I don't pretend to get my information from communion with some spook.
Show evidence that I am pretending.
If I claimed to be in communion with a leprechaun, wouldn't you think I was pretending? Show evidence that the spook exists and we might be able to take the pretense seriously.
Phat writes:
There have been numerous times when decisions made after a sincere and honest prayer led to the appearance of a needed person being at the exact place that I was going.
I've had the exact same experience - but without the prayer.
Phat writes:
My conclusion is that you guys believe what you want to think. You don't want God to exist...at least not my version.
Your version is worthless. Don't lie about what I want.
Phat writes:
Your version has a God who serves the needs of humanity...whereas my version has a God who foreknows the destiny of humankind and Who allows for them to learn through trial and error yet who helps those who are His.
You contradict yourself. First you say that God shows up in answer to prayer and then you say He wants you to learn through trial and error.
Phat writes:
Argue all you want about starving children of other beliefs being ignored. Argue all you want about the many unanswered prayers that could be used as counter-examples to my claim.
Thanks. I will. If your God does exist, he's an asshole.
Phat writes:
I charge you as being in willful denial of belief in God.
I charge you with lying. Stop it.
Phat writes:
You don't think you need Him.
Demonstrate that I do.
Phat writes:
Because I allowed myself to take a leap of faith into a place you wouldn't even want to go.
Leaps of faith are stupid. You wouldn't take a leap of faith off a bridge, would you? If not, you're not being honest with yourself.
Phat writes:
Do you think this world is crazy now? It will get worse....
But it's getting better.
Phat writes:
Obviously, to you there is no difference between Leprechauns and the God we preach.
I keep asking you what the difference is and you never answer. Obviously, you don't know.
Phat writes:
Signs and wonders follow those whom believe.
Again you contradict yourself. How is that God allowing people to learn through trial and error?
Phat writes:
If you want evidence, I present to you the believers themselves.
The believers themselves are my evidence. By their fruit we shall know them.
Phat writes:
You will grow increasingly angry at the believers.
And lying is not good fruit.
As I have said before, almost everybody I know is a believer. Being angry at them would be exhausting. My father did say that I don't suffer fools gladly, so yes, I do point out stupid arguments made by believers.
Phat writes:
We will become full of joy.
Have you met Faith? And yourself, lately, since you've taken your "arguments" to PreachTube instead of discussing them honestly here.
Phat writes:
Look, I have a rational mind, but I don't doubt what I know.
Again, you contradict yourself.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 611 of 3207 (855099)
06-16-2019 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 610 by AlexCaledin
06-16-2019 9:13 AM


AlexCaledin writes:
Such discussions are futile for it's one's choice, to subscribe to godless "reality" or to the godly life.
I notice that you choose a "real" computer to express yourself.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 613 of 3207 (855134)
06-16-2019 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 612 by Phat
06-16-2019 3:36 PM


Re: A circuitous relationship
Phat writes:
In defense of Alex, all that the computer does is assemble letters into words.
That's not the point. It isn't a "choice" between godless "reality" or the godly life at all. Even if there is such a thing as the "godly life", he has chosen reality to talk about it. So do all of you believers. Without reality, your "godly life" is strictly internal.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 617 of 3207 (855185)
06-17-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 615 by Stile
06-17-2019 8:58 AM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
As long as you keep "ultimate or sacred meaning" in there, it's just the same old religious mumbo-jumbo.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 658 of 3207 (855518)
06-20-2019 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:38 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Dredge writes:
On the other hand, the atheist perspective means life has no purpose or meaning....
Is it better to have "meaning" forced on you by an alien overlord? (How to Cook Forty Humans)

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 659 of 3207 (855520)
06-20-2019 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:57 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Dredge writes:
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” (1Corinthians 1:18-19)
quote:
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
It's about what you do, not what you believe or what you profess.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 438 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 660 of 3207 (855522)
06-20-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 641 by Faith
06-20-2019 12:38 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:
Biblical religion is a religion of love....
SHOW US THE LOVE, YOU **** *****!!!

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 662 of 3207 (855526)
06-20-2019 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 655 by Phat
06-20-2019 7:10 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
... that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts....
Jim Bakker, Rex Humbard, Jimmy Swaggart....

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 663 of 3207 (855528)
06-20-2019 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 661 by Faith
06-20-2019 12:11 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:
You can't pit one part of scripture against another.
You certainly can. You and Dredge, et al. are the ones who take a verse out of context and try to make it a whole doctrine. You have to look at the context.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 693 of 3207 (855670)
06-21-2019 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 679 by Dredge
06-20-2019 8:13 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
It's about what you do, not what you believe or what you profess
Nonsense. At every Mass, Catholics recite the Apostles' or Nicene Creed, which begin with "I believe ...".
Call it "nonsense" if you like but Jesus said it, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:22)
Dredge writes:
Faith and beliefs are absolutely central to Christianity.
Which is why much of Christianity is a false religion.
Dredge writes:
It is the "will of my Father which is in heaven" that humans believe in Him and obey His commandents.
It is doing the will of the Father in heaven, not mouthing "I believe..." at mass.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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