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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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I predicted a few pages back that, like UKIP before it, the Brexit Party would slowly disintegrate following its electoral success as its various members realised that, aside from the single issue that united them, they don't agree on much else; and that alliances have been made with reprehensible scum for short-term gain.
Took even less time than I thought. Their Merseyside campaign manager was fired this week once it became clear that he was a former active member of the fascist BNP. It should be pointed out that, in this case, 'became clear' means a journalist noticed. He ran as a candidate for the BNP in 2009, and his blog from those days is still online, so it's hardly a closely guarded secret. In his own defence, the sacked member said that he'd quit the BNP in disgust once he had discovered, to his shock, "institutionalized racism within the whole of the party." Institutionalised racism in a party of fascists? Who'd have thunk it? Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
"institutionalized racism within the whole of the party."
Kind of like the GOP here in the USA.If anyone claims otherwise all you have to do is mention Thomas Hofeller. Deceased Strategist’s Files Detail Republican Gerrymandering in North Carolina, Advocates Say - The New York Times Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Boris Johnson tops first ballot in Tory leadership contest - BBC News
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
God 'elp us
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
YES!!!!
It's payback time for all those times the Brits laughed at us Yanks for electing Trump. Don't try to tell me I'm wrong, you were laughing . . .
https://assets.lbc.co.uk/2016/33/boris-johnson-3-1471423733-view-1.jpg [/img]--> Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
To be fair (to us) it’s more like the Primaries than a full election. In fact it’s less open than the Primaries at this stage. Only Tory MPs get to vote.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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YES!!!! It's payback time for all those times the Brits laughed at us Yanks for electing Trump. Don't try to tell me I'm wrong, you were laughing . . . What's somewhat ironic (and disconcerting) is the resemblance:
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
To be fair (to us) it’s more like the Primaries than a full election. In fact it’s less open than the Primaries at this stage. Only Tory MPs get to vote And this is why we know Boris is very unlikely to be PM. He has made himself abundantly clear in no uncertain terms that it is fundamentally wrong for a governing party to change is leader without calling a general election. Here's how he approached the issue when Labour did it.
quote: Obviously, then, he will request Parliament to dissolve itself immediately upon winning any vote, fine, upstanding man of principle that he is. Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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So it's not enough that you guys have an American in the Royal Family and a Muslim Mayor of London so now you want an American PM?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
That belonged in the humour thread.
But I’m sure that Boris will be just as consistent as he is honest.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Dominic Raab out of Tory leadership race as five proceed - BBC News Race looks like this now: Boris Johnson - 126 votesJeremy Hunt - 46 Michael Gove - 41 Rory Stewart - 37 Sajid Javid - 33 Mathematically, Johnson's lead will be very difficult to overtake. The other candidates put together have 157 votes. That is more than Johnson's 126 but it is likely many of those votes might end up in his pocket as others drop out.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Mathematically, Johnson's lead will be very difficult to overtake. A lead in the Parliamentary votes isn't really relevant though. All that matters is finishing in the top two so as to progress to the final vote by their whole party membership. Opinion polls suggest the majority of party members will vote for Boris, so all these elimination rounds are likely a bit irrelevant. Other fun facts from recent polls of Tory party membership. 44% of them would be happy to have Farage as party leader; and a majority consider leaving the EU more important than the continued existence of the United Kingdom, the continued existence of the Cinservative Party, and the healthy functioning of the British economy. There was only oe hypothetical presented in the latest Yougov poll which a (small) majority of party members would be willing to sacrifice Brexit to prevent - Jeremy Corbyn as PM. Edited by caffeine, : No reason given. Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
A lead in the Parliamentary votes isn't really relevant though. All that matters is finishing in the top two so as to progress to the final vote by their whole party membership. Opinion polls suggest the majority of party members will vote for Boris, so all these elimination rounds are likely a bit irrelevant. It does seem somewhat of a done deal now. I think they are only going through the motions to give the impression of due diligence. But unless Boris somehow tanks his candidacy by doing or saying something stupid, I pretty much see him as being the next PM.
44% of them would be happy to have Farage as party leader Yikes! And I thought we had problems in the USA.
a majority consider leaving the EU more important than the continued existence of the United Kingdom, the continued existence of the Conservative Party, and the healthy functioning of the British economy That basically shows that dogma and zealotry have taken over. Which is quite disconcerting. But unfortunately, they have now made their Brexit bed so to speak. Brexit defines the Conservative party at this stage and I think they believe if they don't deliver, it will fracture the party and alienate their base. Well, should be an interesting ride.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
quote: Well, they do still have rules to follow. Even in the current mess I don't think we've quite reached the point where they'd just throw their own party rulebook to save time. What's interesting is how many people thought a challenge was worthwhile. I know there are many Tories who hate the idea of Boris, but perhaps it shows the current mess that they were incapable of coming up with an anti-Boris compromise.
quote: I can see it fracturing the party anyway (to some extent it already has). Almost a third of Tory party members voted Remain, after all. It's interesting that you talk about Brexit defining the party, and I'm most amazed by the fact that a majority of members consider this more important than preserving the Union (the British one, not the European one). The formal name of the party is, after all, the Conservative and Unionist Party. The party was literally founded around the principle of preserving the Union. You'd think that should be the issue that defines them. Astoundingly, even a quarter of Scottish Conservatives said they would want Brexit to go ahead even if it meant Scotland leaving the UK (though obviously the majority of Scottish Conservatives disagreed). Still, maybe the party will hang together after all around their one shared objective - opposing Jeremy Corbyn.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Rory Stewart actually managed to lose votes, and was eliminated. Disappointing, since he seemed the least awful of the bunch and the only one with any realistic idea of what to do about Brexit.
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