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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: You are right. Many books contain elements of truth. The Bible supporters never claim that the Bible alone has the truth, except when speaking of Jesus Christ. Many books contain truths. Astrology was evidently how the Magi found the baby, according to scripture. Faith used to study all the esoteric religions, so astrology is still in her database. One could argue that this proves susceptibility and even gullibility but it is, as you say, a trait prevalent among believers. We don't like employing critical thinking too much. You never want to slay the sacred cow if it is the only source of meat you have left. A radical Christian believes in astrology. Guess it just shows the susceptibility of some minds.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
BTW, that was about a decade after I had already left Christianity because reading the Bible had revealed to me that I just couldn't believe that stuff. I'm guessing that the reason you are still intrigued by astrology is because there is math involved...thus the belief seems amusingly probable. The math involved in a Trinitarian doctrine simply doest add up...I mean...1+1+1=1 ?? I'll save my comments about clueless astrology debunker for another message. Also, of late I've been considering adding a page or two on astrology to my web site, including the procedure for casting a chart, once I reconstruct the procedure for myself.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
He probably means he is immune to Holy Ghost Fire.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I wouldn't be surprised if you attempt to correct your own Pastor.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
PaulK writes: Which one of the esteemed "experts" informed you of this? And how do we know he is right and the Bible is wrong? Im curious... we don’t know when Jesus was born - but it was after Herod died,...Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I have no problem with the Trinity, but I think you are a bit arrogant and snippy with me in claiming superior Biblical Knowledge. I could care less how much research you have done---I too have read a lot of stuff, and have reached differing conclusions which are all tentative. You refuse to even consider the possibility that you are wrong, and I think that your condescending attitude towards fellow Christians who have received as much revelatory knowledge as you have might be a strike against you come judgment day. What good does it do to advertise our "product" when we look stupid and stubborn?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Because non-believers cannot correct believers based only on consensual evidential data. Of course, I do not know this, but you do not absolutely know that the Pastor is wrong either. Feel free to go to Stephen Hawking's church, however.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I can tentatively agree with you, Duane. The reason I like this forum is that I have developed basic trust in the wisdom, evidential logic, and overall internet personality characteristics of the members here. And I see that jar has returned as my foil and resident critic, always keeping me off balance and away from complacency regarding my beliefs.
That's just it, though. The whole paradigm and dynamic of Evolution vs Creationism is that one side is willing to throw away evidence in light of new evidence and has no need to hold to any final conclusion on a matter, while the other side---my side---does, in fact, have an emotional need to hold on to belief despite its irrationality. Look, I will freely admit that your side has all of the basic facts that can be objectively proven. I continue to argue with everyone here because I continue to get subjective confirmation that my beliefs are valid (at a basic emotional level). The data can show that prayer doesn't make a difference...but I have experienced repeated confirmation that it does. The data can show that Jesus Christ likely never existed or that if so, He was an ordinary man...but I meet Him every day through others. The evidence that we have is the believers themselves and that is really all of the evidence that we ever will have. Even though I am admittedly just like Faith, I get mad at her for being a bad advertisement for our brand---our Jesus--our purpose. And what's sad is that I am no better. In fact, it is the atheists and secular humanists at this forum that keep me here. I believe that there is more evidence forthcoming. It will come from the believers themselves. Either signs and wonders will follow those who believe or, as Tangle says, religion will continue to fade away and have less and less social relevance as time goes on.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It's ok. Maybe it is I who am snippy. I've been quite feisty lately. It's just that I feel a battle in the air...Nothing personal against you, Faith
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I pay attention and will take you on quote for quote. The problem is that you attribute the source as human authors rather than divine authorship. It is why we can never agree. Your side essentially settles on human wisdom as the final arbitrator. Our side settles on divine inspiration, though we cannot prove it to the standards that all people would and should agree on... yet. The jury is still out and it may be a hundred years before a verdict is reached.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Not quite. Feel free to correct them, and any honest preacher should welcome the challenge...but don't try and use your own wisdom and secular psychological sociological world view to rewrite the belief. The belief itself won't allow such correction since secular thinking by definition is incapable of the belief which the preacher *should* represent...though to be fair many of them don't.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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