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Author Topic:   A test for claimed knowledge of how macroevolution occurs
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Message 254 of 785 (855154)
06-16-2019 9:10 PM
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06-16-2019 8:36 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Where do you think the "built in genetic variants" come from? In other words, where do you think different eye color or hair color "variations" come from?
Genes that are present in the DNA from the Creation. Certainly mutations have occurred that affect the DNA but I believe it was all originally designed to do what it does, varying I suppoe with each generation, and the mutations are kind of a side trip or just a mistake that interferes.

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Message 255 of 785 (855155)
06-16-2019 9:37 PM
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06-16-2019 4:49 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Somethig messed up my post and I'm not up to repeating it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 262 of 785 (855163)
06-17-2019 6:41 AM
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06-17-2019 12:31 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
It’s a transposition. A section of DNA from elsewhere in the genome has been swapped in for the DNA that is present in the white moths.
OK, and how do you know that this transposition was the result of a mistaken in replication rather than a sequence that was already there?

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Message 263 of 785 (855164)
06-17-2019 6:45 AM
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06-17-2019 1:07 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
By what mechanism does a genome vary with each generation? Like what do you think is physically occurring in the DNA to give rise to different versions of the same genes, i.e. variation?
Different alleles for different genes in different individuals among other things.

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Message 272 of 785 (855198)
06-17-2019 4:50 PM
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06-17-2019 11:17 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
The sequence.

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Message 273 of 785 (855199)
06-17-2019 4:51 PM
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06-17-2019 8:56 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Far as I can tell nothing in that lengthy discussion says why it has to be a mutation rather than a built in variant.

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Message 274 of 785 (855200)
06-17-2019 4:53 PM
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06-17-2019 10:43 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Are beneficial mutations rare or not?

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Message 275 of 785 (855201)
06-17-2019 4:55 PM
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06-17-2019 10:55 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
As I have already shown, we have the evidence that evolution was responsible for the differences between the chimp and human genomes. It isn't an assumption. The fingerprint of random mutations is all over those genomes.
Every time you say it is an assumption it is a lie. We have the evidence.
I think you are misreading the evidence.

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Message 276 of 785 (855202)
06-17-2019 4:57 PM
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06-17-2019 11:09 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
I already explained this. God doesn't make changes, He designed a genome for each creature and let it do its thing.

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Message 280 of 785 (855206)
06-17-2019 5:07 PM
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06-17-2019 5:04 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
I can't make one iota of sense out of what you are saying. Each genome is unique. It has nothing to do with mutations at all.

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Message 282 of 785 (855208)
06-17-2019 5:08 PM
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06-17-2019 5:05 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
In practice they are mostly neutral, right? But built in alleles, two to a gene, do two different things.

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Message 283 of 785 (855209)
06-17-2019 5:09 PM
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06-17-2019 5:08 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
I guess they happen once in a very great while but the original created genome doesn't need them.

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Message 286 of 785 (855212)
06-17-2019 5:18 PM
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06-17-2019 5:10 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
It follows from my model which is different from yours.

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Message 290 of 785 (855219)
06-17-2019 6:03 PM
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06-17-2019 5:45 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
All changes in DNA are called mutations by eve-os, that's not evidence.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 292 of 785 (855221)
06-17-2019 6:09 PM
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06-17-2019 5:20 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Where is the evidence supporting yours? Far as I can tell it's just a lot of supposition. Evolutionism assumes mutations everywhere, even though another interpretation would work as well or better.

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