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Author Topic:   A test for claimed knowledge of how macroevolution occurs
Taq
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Message 271 of 785 (855183)
06-17-2019 11:17 AM
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06-17-2019 6:45 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Faith writes:

Different alleles for different genes in different individuals among other things.

What makes alleles different from each other?


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Message 272 of 785 (855198)
06-17-2019 4:50 PM
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06-17-2019 11:17 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
The sequence.

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Message 273 of 785 (855199)
06-17-2019 4:51 PM
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06-17-2019 8:56 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Far as I can tell nothing in that lengthy discussion says why it has to be a mutation rather than a built in variant.

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Message 274 of 785 (855200)
06-17-2019 4:53 PM
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06-17-2019 10:43 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Are beneficial mutations rare or not?

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Message 275 of 785 (855201)
06-17-2019 4:55 PM
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06-17-2019 10:55 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
As I have already shown, we have the evidence that evolution was responsible for the differences between the chimp and human genomes. It isn't an assumption. The fingerprint of random mutations is all over those genomes.
Every time you say it is an assumption it is a ***. We have the evidence.

I think you are misreading the evidence.


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Message 276 of 785 (855202)
06-17-2019 4:57 PM
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06-17-2019 11:09 AM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
I already explained this. God doesn't make changes, He designed a genome for each creature and let it do its thing.

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Message 277 of 785 (855203)
06-17-2019 5:02 PM
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06-17-2019 4:55 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Faith writes:

I think you are misreading the evidence.

Until you can show how the evidence is being misread all you have is flat denial. We have the evidence, and you haven't been able to rebut it.


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Message 278 of 785 (855204)
06-17-2019 5:04 PM
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06-17-2019 4:57 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Faith writes:

God doesn't make changes, He designed a genome for each creature and let it do its thing.

If the designed genomes have different sequences then those differences are changes. You are claiming that the sequence of a genome can't be any other sequence. If the sequence is different then it can only be deleterious or neutral, but never beneficial, according to your argument. Therefore, God could only design one genome and no others.


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Message 279 of 785 (855205)
06-17-2019 5:05 PM
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06-17-2019 4:50 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Faith writes:

The sequence.

So why couldn't random mutations produce the differences between alleles?


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Message 280 of 785 (855206)
06-17-2019 5:07 PM
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06-17-2019 5:04 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
I can't make one iota of sense out of what you are saying. Each genome is unique. It has nothing to do with mutations at all.

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Message 281 of 785 (855207)
06-17-2019 5:08 PM
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06-17-2019 4:53 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Faith writes:

Are beneficial mutations rare or not?

Yes, they are rare. Winning lottery numbers are also rare, yet people win the lottery all of the time using random numbers.

What you are trying to claim is that beneficial mutations are non-existent. If beneficial mutations are rare then random mutations will have no problem finding them. As I have already shown, the current human population has produced every non-lethal mutation at every position in the human genome 40 times over. I don't think you have an appreciation for the numbers involved.


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Message 282 of 785 (855208)
06-17-2019 5:08 PM
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06-17-2019 5:05 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
In practice they are mostly neutral, right? But built in alleles, two to a gene, do two different things.

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Message 283 of 785 (855209)
06-17-2019 5:09 PM
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06-17-2019 5:08 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
I guess they happen once in a very great while but the original created genome doesn't need them.

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Message 284 of 785 (855210)
06-17-2019 5:10 PM
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06-17-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Faith writes:

Each genome is unique. It has nothing to do with mutations at all.

Every human is born with about 100 mutations which adds to the uniqueness of their genome. Every subsequent generation keeps adding mutations and keeps adding to the uniqueness of genomes. It has everything to do with mutations.

Do you deny the OBSERVATION that people are born with mutations?


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Message 285 of 785 (855211)
06-17-2019 5:10 PM
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06-17-2019 5:09 PM


Re: Tracking the route of macroevolution
Faith writes:

I guess they happen once in a very great while but the original created genome doesn't need them.

Where is the evidence for this claim?


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