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Message 135 of 868 (825777)
12-17-2017 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by PaulK
12-17-2017 4:31 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
The Bible is God's word, it's full of references to supernatural things the unbelieving "scholars" can't be honest about.

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Message 136 of 868 (825778)
12-17-2017 5:12 PM
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12-17-2017 5:04 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
Thank you for proving my point.

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Message 139 of 868 (825782)
12-17-2017 9:40 PM
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12-17-2017 7:47 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.Go
Yes, one liners are about right for the occasion I'd say.
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Message 141 of 868 (825784)
12-17-2017 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by LamarkNewAge
12-17-2017 9:41 PM


Re: Modern scholars examining "The [present] Bible [books]" differ from early Christians?
You seem to make up the whole history on your own. Why would there have been all that questioning? Believers were hungry to learn about their new religion.
As I understand it there were thousands of churches that had been planted all over the Middle East and into Europe. I don't know in what sense you mean "communities" but the believers usually gathered at a particular location for meetings, or maybe more than one location. Where a synagogue was converted -- Paul always preached first at the synagogues in any town, the synagogue would be the gathering place, but often it was people's houses. They had pastors and elders, and a bishop over a region.
They would have had the Old Testament first, but then the books and letters of the New Testament were passed to all these churches as they were able to have them copied. It would take time to accumulate the whole set but eventually most or all of these church groups did possess them. These congregations heard them all read in the assembly many times, and they formed their opinions about which were inspired and which weren't. The various councils took note of those regarded as inspired by all the churches uuntil eventually a coherent collection emerged that was deemed canonical by the council tally sheet. Over time those regarded as inspired became the largest collection and formed the basis for later determinations of canonicity. Seems like a perfectly natural way for the Bible to develop.
Nothing you've said makes any sense to me.
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Message 143 of 868 (825787)
12-17-2017 10:17 PM
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12-17-2017 10:10 PM


Re: Modern scholars examining "The [present] Bible [books]" differ from early Christians?
I'm aware of the differences in canon collections and of Luther's objection to the letter of James. There have always been limited areas of disagreement. So what? I don't have the opinion you attribute to me. I object to UNBELIEVING scholars which so many here rely on. What's that got to do with your complaints?
Christian views were NOT so different in the early years, I've read a lot of the early church writers and their views have come down to us as part of the Christian doctrinal legacy.

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Message 149 of 868 (825798)
12-18-2017 4:30 AM
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12-17-2017 10:26 PM


Re: Modern scholars examining "The [present] Bible [books]" differ from early Christians?
I have never figured out why, but I just about never understand a word you are saying. What you say about me is far far from anything I recognize.

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Message 153 of 868 (825947)
12-19-2017 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Stile
12-19-2017 10:41 AM


Re: Play Fair
I think many other religions fit this category.
-mostly historical narratives about real people who have a relationship with their God
-includes prophecy
-includes miracles
-includes stories that reflect moral guidance
There is no other religion that even includes a historical narrative intended to support its religious views, at best it's all circumstantial. And there is absolutely not one shred of prophecy in any other religion, and so far only two "miracles" have been proposed for any other religion, without any convincing context whatever. It's all predominantly teachings.
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Message 155 of 868 (825951)
12-19-2017 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Taq
12-19-2017 6:11 PM


Re: Play Fair
If you're going to put that demonic nonsense on a par with the Bible the conversation has bcome too irrational to continue.

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Faith 
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Message 158 of 868 (825985)
12-20-2017 12:01 PM
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12-20-2017 11:27 AM


Re: Play Fair
I was thinking of prophecies of real historical events in real historical time, something with at least the specificity of the biblical Messiah prophecies, not their weird unworldly history of Hinduism or the vagueness of the others. And miracles on the order of those in the Bible, not that little milik-drinking statue nonsense.
But that's OK, I'm beginning to understand that nobody here gets the point of any of this anyway.
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Message 160 of 868 (825987)
12-20-2017 12:08 PM
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12-20-2017 11:40 AM


Re: Play Fair
Not for anybody but you.

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Message 161 of 868 (825988)
12-20-2017 12:10 PM
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12-20-2017 12:07 PM


Re: Play Fair
My impression is that there is really NO history of anything related to earth in any other religion, whereas most of the Bible is history. The Bible covers a long long period in the history of Israel, touching on many actual places and people known to secular history. There's something laughable about saying any other religion is about history at all.
What does "attempting to speak of history" even mean? The Bible has very lengthy TRUE history covering many centuries of real earth time.
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Message 165 of 868 (825999)
12-20-2017 2:18 PM
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12-20-2017 1:49 PM


Re: Play Fair
My point, apparently unclear enough to allow for all kinds of weirdness instead of honest answers, is that the Bible offers REAL history and REAL prophecy in REAL space-time. Demonic imitations are a bore.

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Message 420 of 868 (855265)
06-18-2019 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 419 by Tanypteryx
06-17-2019 9:09 PM


Re: Main Assertion: God is an uncaused first cause and was never made.
But that's a definition of God, the uncreated, the uncaused cause. Or as scripture puts it, I AM that I AM. You can't just call it fiction, that's absurd.
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Message 423 of 868 (855293)
06-18-2019 1:30 PM
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06-18-2019 11:47 AM


But there's confusion about what God is, expressed at EvC very recently, so if we can't even give the traditional definition of God that will never get straightened out.
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Message 425 of 868 (855321)
06-18-2019 5:22 PM
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06-18-2019 5:06 PM


What it has bearing on is the abusive attitude toward tradition, but I guess EvC is beyond caring about such things.

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