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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: Let's put them in a numbered list, alphabetically by last name just for kicks:
Now reorder them in your preferences. Mine are
If we were doing ranked voting at primaries this is the way I would currently rank them. If we were doing instant runoff voting at primaries I would have each candidate beat the ones below thim. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I do not think that the US should loose any Democratic Senator to a Presidential bid. I feel almost as strongly about Representatives. For the foreseeable future the US Congress will be more important that the Presidency.
The President proposes but it is the Congress that disposes. Let Trump have a second term but simply continue to totally and completely ignore every really dumb thing he proposes. Make it clear that "Yes, Trump is an idiot but he is our idiot so please be nice to him. Hang his drawings on the refrigerator and give him Super Hero stickers for his coloring book."
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
jar writes: I do not think that the US should loose any Democratic Senator to a Presidential bid. I feel almost as strongly about Representatives. For the foreseeable future the US Congress will be more important that the Presidency.The President proposes but it is the Congress that disposes. Without a 2/3 majority in the Senate, veto power is still a real thing.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Taq writes: Without a 2/3 majority in the Senate, veto power is still a real thing. True but a simple majority in the House and Senate is an even bigger thing. If il Donald vetoes every single bill passed in Congress the worst that would happen is once again the US Government gets shut down but with a very clear picture of who is responsible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Actually, having an idiot like Trump in the White House makes it clearer to me what a good system of checks and balances you guys have.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Not sure how many people saw this, but Jon Stewart (former host of the Daily Show) spoke before Congress regarding their inability to ratify a proper 9/11 First Responders bill to help so many of the fire fighters, police officers, EMTs, etc. that ended up with health issues as a result of the dust from the World Trade Center collapses. Video below shows his speech. Gotta admit, this was a very powerful display.
I guess the main takeaway from my perspective is Congress is always going to be partisan. But I think they all need to take a step back in times like this and just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I guess the main takeaway from my perspective is Congress is always going to be partisan. But I think they all need to take a step back in times like this and just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing. The "right thing" is never going to be in the Republican bag of tricks.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing. With the republicans in the senate? That's asking too much. No political advantage to it.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Trump called Joe Biden sleepy, but I just caught 30 seconds of Biden speaking in Iowa during the monologue on last night’s Stephen Colbert show and he didn’t look sleepy but tired and unanimated and boring and unfocused. Unless it was just a bad 30 seconds, no way is Biden going to be our next president.
”Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Percy writes:
Back in the 80s when Brian Mulroney was Prime Minister of Canada, he was away at some international conference. A lady I worked with objected, saying he should be here running the country. I told her that, as far as I was concerned, the farther away he was the better off the country was. Unless it was just a bad 30 seconds, no way is Biden going to be our next president. So Rip van Winkle for President.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Friday's column by Paul Krugman:
Liberal Wonks, or at Least Elizabeth Warren, Have a Plan for That An interesting column by Krugman. He compares Warren's campaign favorably with the other candidates for the Democratic nomination. While the other candidates' campaigns consist largely of platitutudes and very broad, general "visions", Warren is offering more specific, detailed plans about what she wants to do. Furthermore, actual experts in the relevant fields point out that most of her ideas are workable and arguably necessary. Even better, her idea resonate and are supported by large proportions of the electorate. The reason I find Krugman's column interesting is that I had him pegged as an Establishment Liberal. In 2016 (when I started reading his columns), he was rather critical of Sanders and clearly supported Clinton. While half his criticisms were cogent (and interesting to read), the other half, to me, seemed to miss the point of Sanders' campaign. But over the years, I've noticed him supporting more progressive policies and candidates. So either I misread him years ago, or Trump and the nihilist party has moved him to the left. Or maybe he just appreciates a politician who actually knows what she's talking about.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I think Krugman has reconciled himself with the idea of the need for progressive ideas and action. In this piece he clearly shows the difference between Sanders and Warren
Though they have similar political ideology and vision, Warren has a plan for that while Sanders is stuck on the rhetoric. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
And they're all women Did you miss the part where I was critical of men on the list or that I lauded Tulsi Gabbard as being 1 of 2 considerations for my vote?
And they are each expert-level knowledgeable in their field, Congress and the law and effective leadership, world affairs, and banking and finance. You may not like their personalities or histories, but I don't think you can credibly deny their qualifications. You cited Mitch McConnell in the previous paragraph... does his "expert-level knowledge" give him any credibility? No, I didn't think so... I mean, to say that a politician is knowledgeable of politics is about as redundant as a plumber being knowledgeable about plumbing.
Can you name any Republicans that are not hyper-partisan considering Trump's 90+% approval from Republicans? Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Arlen Specter, John McCain, Joe Lierberman, etc come to mind as people willing to reach across the aisle. But of course, more could be said of the question itself. Because of this hyper-partisan political climate we live in, as soon as I was critical of people from the Democratic Party you rushed in to counter with Republicans. I'm not a Republican and I'm very critical of Donald Trump who, by the way, was a lifelong Democrat up until about 10-5 years ago.... I guess that means he's willing to reach across the aisle too!"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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And they're all women
Did you miss the part where I was critical of men on the list or that I lauded Tulsi Gabbard as being 1 of 2 considerations for my vote? I didn't see any men on the list in the message I was answering.
quote: You cited Mitch McConnell in the previous paragraph... does his "expert-level knowledge" give him any credibility? No, I didn't think so... I mean, to say that a politician is knowledgeable of politics is about as redundant as a plumber being knowledgeable about plumbing. I am unaware of Mitch McConnell having any knowledge in any of the fields I listed other than Congress. And I did not say anything about knowledge of politics.
Tanypteryx writes: And they are each expert-level knowledgeable in their field, Congress and the law and effective leadership, world affairs, and banking and finance. You may not like their personalities or histories, but I don't think you can credibly deny their qualifications. Hyropglyphx writes: Because of this hyper-partisan political climate we live in, as soon as I was critical of people from the Democratic Party you rushed in to counter with Republicans. Actually I rushed in to point out that hyperpartisonship is hardly surprising considering McConnell's anti-American bullshit.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
From The New York Times:
Elizabeth Warren’s Latest Plan: Expanding Voting Access Elizabeth Warren has presented her ideas to correct some of the flaws in US elections.
As part of her proposal, intended to expand voting access and strengthen election security, Ms. Warren would create a new federal agency, the Secure Democracy Administration. She would replace every voting machine across the country with modern equipment and would require the use of a uniform federal ballot. She would also impose uniform standards on election rules, requiring all states to have automatic voter registration and same-day registration, early voting and voting by mail. By the way, although it is the states' responsibility to run elections, the Constitution does allow the Federal government to regulate the process.
The plan comes at a time when protecting voting rights is a priority for Democrats, after Republicans in recent years have enacted new voting restrictions in many states. Democratic lawmakers in states like New York have pushed to expand access to the ballot box, and in Congress, the Democratic-controlled House passed an ambitious voting rights and anticorruption bill in March, though it has no hope of passage in the Republican-controlled Senate. It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman |
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