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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Dredge
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Message 631 of 2467 (855448)
06-19-2019 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 626 by Tangle
06-18-2019 4:16 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:

Dredge writes:


Some atheists don't want God to exist.


I've never met one that wouldn't like a nice one. But that's never the option

Never the option? Of course it's an option - you simply believe in a "nice" God of your own making and imagination. Organised religion doesn't have a monopoly on theism, you know.

It's really sad that you have no meaning in the only life you have.

This life does have meaning for me - but only in the sense that I must endure it to get to the eternity of heaven.

On the other hand, the atheist perspective means life has no purpose or meaning - you get born, spend a few years indulging in meaningless activities, then you die and and become eternal dust. A pointless, futile existence that amounts to nothing.

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Dredge
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Message 632 of 2467 (855449)
06-19-2019 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 627 by Faith
06-18-2019 4:51 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:

And I really don't think there's all that much difference between the theologies of dredge and thugs and me. Insofar as we believe in what the Bible says anyway, because it SAYS "God is love" and "God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting llfe." That's a promise to love us isn't it? And "We love Him because He first loved us." In other words He gives us the means to fulfill that command to love Him. He loves us first and makes us know it.


Well said, Faith.

As far as I know, the Judeo-Christian faith is the only religion in which God tells humans that He loves them.


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Dredge
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Message 633 of 2467 (855451)
06-19-2019 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by Tangle
06-18-2019 8:41 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:

No it's the opposite of a promise of love, it's a superstitious, murderous blood sacrifice for no sane reason.

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” (1Corinthians 1:18-19)

"The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1Cor 2:14)


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AZPaul3
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Message 634 of 2467 (855453)
06-19-2019 10:03 PM
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06-19-2019 9:57 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.

Yeah, I can just feel the love already.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Coragyps
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Message 635 of 2467 (855455)
06-19-2019 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:57 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
“Where the lion roareth, and the whangdoodle mourneth for her first-borne” - Izziwoggle 7:36

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Tanypteryx
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Message 636 of 2467 (855456)
06-19-2019 10:29 PM
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06-19-2019 10:03 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Yeah, I can just feel the love already.

Psychotic Santa Claus for delusional adults.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Dredge
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Message 637 of 2467 (855457)
06-19-2019 10:42 PM
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06-18-2019 8:21 AM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
Stile writes:

Although I am not spiritually against the idea of life after death - I do know that it doesn't exist for the same reasons I know God doesn't exist.


I know that you don't know what you're talking about, because you know nothing at all about life after death.

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Dredge
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Message 638 of 2467 (855458)
06-19-2019 10:43 PM
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06-18-2019 8:15 AM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
Stile writes:

Abiogenesis is evidence towards God not existing again.


Please explain.

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Faith
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Message 639 of 2467 (855464)
06-20-2019 12:27 AM
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06-19-2019 10:03 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
It's the wisdom of the wise that says there is no God and God doesn't love us etc., the stuff you all are saying here and God is going to destroy that false wisdom.

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Faith
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Message 640 of 2467 (855465)
06-20-2019 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 633 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:57 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
I guess you have a different translation than I do, dredge. Mine says the cross is "the power of God UNTO SALVATION." Yours leaves out the last two words but they're crucial: the cross is what gives us eternal llfe. I hope that's what you believe. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, it says, which sadly seems to be most on this thread, the possessors of the "wisdom of the wise" which is only going to destroy them; but to us it is the means of our salvation. I hope your church hasn't deprived you of that knowledge.

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Faith
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Message 641 of 2467 (855467)
06-20-2019 12:38 AM
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06-19-2019 9:43 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
As far as I know, the Judeo-Christian faith is the only religion in which God tells humans that He loves them.

True. Biblical religion is a religion of love, and a religion that gives us personal access to God Himself in relationship. Yes it is unique, but it is also the truth, the only true religion. There is something called "bhakti" Hinduism in which you cultivate love for God, but that's not quite the same thing as Christianity. Still, it's closer than most.

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AZPaul3
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Message 642 of 2467 (855468)
06-20-2019 12:38 AM
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06-20-2019 12:27 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
So you keep threatening but nothing ever happens. None of your future prognostication will ever come true just like none of your past predictions. It's all bs.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 643 of 2467 (855469)
06-20-2019 12:40 AM
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06-20-2019 12:38 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
How is being deprived of a wisdom that is going to kill you a "threat?"

And of course that is more of the wisdom of the wise. I obviously can't change your mind. God could if you'd let Him but apparently you aren't interested.

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Faith
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Message 644 of 2467 (855470)
06-20-2019 12:48 AM
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06-20-2019 12:38 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
I think what it means is that all that worldly wisdom will no longer exist when Jesus comes back and sets everything right for eternity.

I think it would make me rather peculiarly happy if you were there too.

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AZPaul3
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Message 645 of 2467 (855471)
06-20-2019 1:32 AM
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06-20-2019 12:40 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
How is being deprived of a wisdom that is going to kill you a "threat?"

Religious quackery. Wisdom does not kill. Religion kills.

Care to compare body count, let's say, Crusades vs Penicillin?

God could if you'd let Him but apparently you aren't interested

Humanity tried that already. Hasn't worked out for us. Nothing but torture, blood, war and a few statues. No thank you.

I think what it means is that all that worldly wisdom will no longer exist when Jesus comes back and sets everything right for eternity.

Next time you talk at him tell him to take his time.

I think it would make me rather peculiarly happy if you were there too.

Thank you, Love, but it really is not going to happen. It's not real.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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