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jar
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Message 469 of 868 (855498)
06-20-2019 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 448 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:16 PM


So why did you decide to accept something filled with errors and inconsistencies and mutually exclusive descriptions and where there are many different collections that vary from just five books to over eighty books as fact?

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jar
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Message 470 of 868 (855499)
06-20-2019 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 453 by Dredge
06-19-2019 10:48 PM


Dredge writes:
You are a "Christian" but you don't believe that God exists?
I am a Christian and know that every God or god described in or by any religion is a creation of the human mind.

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jar
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Message 502 of 868 (855603)
06-20-2019 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 500 by Dredge
06-20-2019 7:10 PM


LOL
Did I or did I not say that I am a Christian?
What does any of your attempted conman tactics have to do with wheher or not it is a fact that all God(s) and god(s) ever described are creations of the human mind?

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jar
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Message 517 of 868 (855689)
06-21-2019 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 514 by Phat
06-21-2019 10:23 AM


Phat writes:
Do you think that *we* are here for no purpose? Just answer the question.
The answer will vary with every single person ever born. And yet it will also remain the same for every single person ever born.
We are here for what ever purpose the individual creates.

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jar
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Message 528 of 868 (855751)
06-22-2019 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Phat
06-22-2019 12:55 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:
So one side says that God exists and that it is God Who determines the ultimate purpose.
Well, no, not quite true if you are honest about it.
So one side says that "MY God exists" and that it is "My God" Who determines the ultimate purpose.
But there are a brazillion different ideas of who or what "My God" might be or what purpose "My God" determined. The evidence to support each and every "My God" or the "determined by My God purpose to life" are all equally valid and almost always mutually exclusive.
Phat writes:
The other side (jars side) claims that humans create their own purpose.
Well, no, not quite true if you are honest about it. The other side (jars side) claims that humans create their own purpose(S).
Plural. There is no singular purpose that is valid for all mankind rather there are individual purposes and in fact those purposes change and evolve over time.
Phat writes:
They create their own gods. They are the arbitrators of reality.
That's just a silly rant Phat. No one is the arbitrator of reality, reality simply is what it is. No one decides what is reality rather reality imposes itself regardless of anyone's beliefs, desires or fantasies.

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jar
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Message 532 of 868 (855757)
06-22-2019 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by Phat
06-22-2019 4:23 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:
As a Christian, do you deny that Jesus Christ is the arbitrator of reality? Your answer will provide further insight into your belief.
I think that question is simply stupid meaningless word salad.
AbE:
Think Phat. Stop and try to think.
My beliefs are totally and completely irrelevant as far as reality is concerned. Reality IS. Reality doesn't give a rats ass what I believe or what I disbelieve. Where I believe Jesus even existed or disbelieve Jesus even existed can have absolutely no effects on whether or not Jesus ever existed in reality.
Reality is. Period.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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jar
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Message 536 of 868 (855768)
06-22-2019 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by Dredge
06-22-2019 9:31 PM


LOL
Dredge writes:
You're obvioulsy not a Christian.
Yet once again, reality trumps ignorance. I am a Christian and a member of an honest recognized chapter of Club Christian.
You of course are free to continue to embrace ignorance but that does not change the facts that I am a Christian raised in a Christian family and educated in a Christian school.

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jar
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Message 552 of 868 (855901)
06-24-2019 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by Theodoric
06-23-2019 4:12 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
The Authorized KJV Bible was created to be a Politically Correct Single Source Document that would dampen the violence between Roman Catholic Christians and Protestant Christians and support the Divine Right of Kings.
It failed in both.

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jar
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Message 558 of 868 (855930)
06-24-2019 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Phat
06-24-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:
You call it word salad because you are not a believer. Your brain is not wired to take leaps of faith.
What you describe Phat is not a matter of belief but of willful ignorance, being unwilling to actually examine the words in the context of reality, that which can be tested.
I am a believer yet I too see it as word salad and almost as dishonest as the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy.

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jar
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Message 566 of 868 (856074)
06-26-2019 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by Phat
06-25-2019 4:31 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:
The Chicago Statement assumes a lot of belief, so I can see why you question it, but to judge it places you as your own God.
How does my utter derision related to the total dishonesty and willful disconnection from all reality that is the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy place me as any God?
Phat writes:
You claim that you would likely laugh in the face of the "God of Calvinism" but more likely you would be on your face....either voluntarily or mandatorily.
Are you saying that the duty of a Christian is to just give in to a despot and tyrant just because the tyrant is more powerful?
No, I say that I would oppose such an evil creation. As a Christian I believe I have the duty to Fight the GOOD fight, to run the race. I would almost certainly lose but as a Christian that is still my duty.

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jar
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Message 582 of 868 (856419)
06-30-2019 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 581 by Phat
06-30-2019 4:04 PM


Re: Take A Side
You do understand Phat that there are a whole universe of folk that don't have a clue what that picture is supposed to say; it's a mute and certainly not worth a thousand words.

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jar
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Message 604 of 868 (856597)
07-01-2019 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 603 by Faith
07-01-2019 7:14 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
Faith writes:
Because Christians can't accept gay marriage?
More bullshit from you Faith.
No one has ever asked you or any of your cult members to accept gay marriage.
You really need to stop lying!
Edited by jar, : no zero in from

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jar
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Message 616 of 868 (856700)
07-02-2019 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 606 by Faith
07-01-2019 7:39 PM


The State, not God, defines marriage.
Faith writes:
God defines marriage, not I.
Bullshit Faith.
Marriage is a State created and controlled contract. A perfect example is that gay marriage is now lawful. It does not matter what you imagine otherwise, the reality is that marriage is a legal contract under government law which supersedes whatever you imagine God's Law might be.
Sorry Faith but that is reality while your position is pure fantasy.
Edited by jar, : fix subtitle

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 618 of 868 (856729)
07-02-2019 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 617 by Faith
07-02-2019 2:06 PM


Re: The State, not God, defines marriage.
It's not I telling you anything Faith, it's reality and the fact of law.
You are free to believe any fool thing you want but if you want to be married you get a license from the State.
Sorry Faith but that is fact.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 624 of 868 (856771)
07-02-2019 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 623 by Sarah Bellum
07-02-2019 5:30 PM


Re: The State, not God, defines marriage.
But I and Faith are in the US and the issue involves US laws. In the US, marriage is a State contract and while we might recognize marriages from outside the US, to get married in the US you still need a license from the State.

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