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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Faith 
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Message 661 of 3207 (855523)
06-20-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 659 by ringo
06-20-2019 12:08 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
You can't pit one part of scripture against another.

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ringo
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Message 662 of 3207 (855526)
06-20-2019 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 655 by Phat
06-20-2019 7:10 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
... that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts....
Jim Bakker, Rex Humbard, Jimmy Swaggart....

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 663 of 3207 (855528)
06-20-2019 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 661 by Faith
06-20-2019 12:11 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:
You can't pit one part of scripture against another.
You certainly can. You and Dredge, et al. are the ones who take a verse out of context and try to make it a whole doctrine. You have to look at the context.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Faith 
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Message 664 of 3207 (855532)
06-20-2019 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 663 by ringo
06-20-2019 12:17 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Sigh.

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Stile
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Message 665 of 3207 (855553)
06-20-2019 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 637 by Dredge
06-19-2019 10:42 PM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
Dredge writes:
I know that you don't know what you're talking about, because you know nothing at all about life after death.
And I also know nothing about Santa Claus or Sharkfin soup on McDonald's menu and God.
But I know that they all don't exist.
As long as we talk reasonably, and rationally.
There is no evidence for any of them.
We have looked for evidence for them, by the experts in their fields... and still no one has ever been able to produce evidence for them.
Therefore - life after death and God do not exist.
As much as Santa Claus and Sharkfin soup on McDonald's menu.
I don't have to know anything about them at all... other than we've looked where people say we should, and haven't found anything to corroborate what was claimed if they did exist. All for a long, long, long time.

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Stile
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Message 666 of 3207 (855554)
06-20-2019 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 638 by Dredge
06-19-2019 10:43 PM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
Dredge writes:
Stile writes:
Abiogenesis is evidence towards God not existing again.
Please explain.
Abiogenesis is the beginning of life where none existed before.
See how there's no mention of "God" in that sentence?

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Stile
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Message 667 of 3207 (855557)
06-20-2019 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Dredge
06-19-2019 9:38 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Dredge writes:
On the other hand, the atheist perspective means life has no purpose or meaning - you get born, spend a few years indulging in meaningless activities, then you die and and become eternal dust. A pointless, futile existence that amounts to nothing.
You act as if you get to describe purpose for everyone.
That's not how subjective things, like purpose, work.
Your insistence on not understanding this simple concept only shows that you do not know what you're talking about.

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Stile
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Message 668 of 3207 (855560)
06-20-2019 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 639 by Faith
06-20-2019 12:27 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:
t's the wisdom of the wise that says there is no God and God doesn't love us etc.
No it's not.
It's the wisdom of the explanation described in the first post.
You're free to challenge it if you see a defect.
...the stuff you all are saying here and God is going to destroy that false wisdom.
Anyone is free to destroy it.
No omnipotence required.
It's just that, no one has yet.
Which, really, is another thing we would expect from a God that doesn't exist.

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Tangle
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Message 669 of 3207 (855592)
06-20-2019 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 656 by Phat
06-20-2019 7:18 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Phat writes:
Do you think I want the world to end?
I've no idea what you think anymore Phat, you're unstable at the moment. All this me too preacher stuff.
We really should go fishing.
You should try it for yourself - it might take your mind off your current mind-fuck.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 670 of 3207 (855593)
06-20-2019 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by ringo
06-20-2019 12:15 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
I always laughed at the story about Jimmie Swaggart. After he was stopped by a cop with a prostitute in the car, he said that God told him he was forgiven. What I wondetr is if God talks to him how come he didn't say, "Jimmie leave that whore alone, there's a cop following you."?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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GDR
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Message 671 of 3207 (855598)
06-20-2019 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 666 by Stile
06-20-2019 1:26 PM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
Stile writes:
Abiogenesis is the beginning of life where none existed before.
See how there's no mention of "God" in that sentence?
Sure, but there is no mention of any other explanation either. Without an intelligent root cause, there only remains the acceptance of a virtually infinite number of mindless and extremely fortuitous processes that have resulted in life as we know it.
Take your pick; an intelligent root cause or a mindless one.
Personally I can't pump up enough faith to accept the latter choice. However, you seem to be claiming that you have proven that to be the case.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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Dredge
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Message 672 of 3207 (855602)
06-20-2019 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 626 by Tangle
06-18-2019 4:16 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:
Well of course in the fiction you have created it needs a heaven and hell to function. But you forget that God created the evil in the first place.
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
Isaiah 45:7
This is a classical case of taking a verse out-of-context. The correct context is, "evil" here refers to calamnity or curse or punishment that is sent by God to humans as a result of their sin.

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Dredge
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Message 673 of 3207 (855604)
06-20-2019 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 640 by Faith
06-20-2019 12:29 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:
I guess you have a different translation than I do, dredge. Mine says the cross is "the power of God UNTO SALVATION." Yours leaves out the last two words but they're crucial: the cross is what gives us eternal llfe. I hope that's what you believe. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, it says, which sadly seems to be most on this thread, the possessors of the "wisdom of the wise" which is only going to destroy them; but to us it is the means of our salvation. I hope your church hasn't deprived you of that knowledge
Thanks for that - I like your translation better than the one I supplied (which wasn't a Catholic translation but one I grabbed randomly off the 'net)

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Dredge
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Message 674 of 3207 (855605)
06-20-2019 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 645 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 1:32 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
AZPaul3 writes:
Care to compare body count, let's say, Crusades vs Penicillin?
Not a great argument. For starters, if not for the Crusades, Europe would probably have been overrun by Islam. Then there is the fact that atheist (read: Communist) regimes killed far, far more people in just one century that all the Christian wars in history put together.

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Dredge
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Message 675 of 3207 (855607)
06-20-2019 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 646 by Tangle
06-20-2019 1:57 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:
Right, just make up a God and then belief in him. I wonder why that has never occurred to me? Oh, I know, it would be a really childish, pointless and stupid thing to do.
Just trying to figure you out - which seems to be that you find the very idea of the existence of God to be a childish absurdity.

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