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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: So one side says that God exists and that it is God Who determines the ultimate purpose. The other side (jars side) claims that humans create their own purpose. They create their own gods. They are the arbitrators of reality. We are here for whatever purpose the individual creates.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
There is no argument about how evidence is defined. If everybody doesn't see it, it isn't evidence. You don't get your own private evidence. And this gets back to our old argument about how evidence is defined. What part of your Google Dictionary definition disagrees with that?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: So one side says that God exists and that it is God Who determines the ultimate purpose. Well, no, not quite true if you are honest about it. So one side says that "MY God exists" and that it is "My God" Who determines the ultimate purpose. But there are a brazillion different ideas of who or what "My God" might be or what purpose "My God" determined. The evidence to support each and every "My God" or the "determined by My God purpose to life" are all equally valid and almost always mutually exclusive.
Phat writes: The other side (jars side) claims that humans create their own purpose. Well, no, not quite true if you are honest about it. The other side (jars side) claims that humans create their own purpose(S). Plural. There is no singular purpose that is valid for all mankind rather there are individual purposes and in fact those purposes change and evolve over time.
Phat writes: They create their own gods. They are the arbitrators of reality. That's just a silly rant Phat. No one is the arbitrator of reality, reality simply is what it is. No one decides what is reality rather reality imposes itself regardless of anyone's beliefs, desires or fantasies.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: As a Christian, do you deny that Jesus Christ is the arbitrator of reality? Your answer will provide further insight into your belief. No one is the arbitrator of reality, reality simply is what it is. No one decides what is reality rather reality imposes itself regardless of anyone's beliefs, desires or fantasies.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: So are you saying that humanity has to agree before it can be called evidence?
If everybody doesn't see it, it isn't evidence. Heb 11:1-2 writes: But of course that is a Dusty old book compiled by a Brazilian authors, editors, and redactors. And there is far from a consensus as to the accuracy or evident meaning of said book (or books). Maybe you can conjure up Stephen Hawking from the dead...he famously was quoted as saying
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.NKJV quote:But Stephen Hawking is Dead and had a great mind but nobody. The Universe also has a great mind. Every knee shall bow someday...either willingly or unwillingly. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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So one side says that God exists and that it is God Who determines the ultimate purpose. The other side (jars side) claims that humans create their own purpose. They create their own gods. They are the arbitrators of reality. Seems to me it doesn't really matter cuz its ultimately non-falsifiable and also non-confirmable in either direction. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: As a Christian, do you deny that Jesus Christ is the arbitrator of reality? Your answer will provide further insight into your belief. I think that question is simply stupid meaningless word salad. AbE: Think Phat. Stop and try to think. My beliefs are totally and completely irrelevant as far as reality is concerned. Reality IS. Reality doesn't give a rats ass what I believe or what I disbelieve. Where I believe Jesus even existed or disbelieve Jesus even existed can have absolutely no effects on whether or not Jesus ever existed in reality. Reality is. Period. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Arbitrator if reality? WTF does that even mean?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
You're obvioulsy not a Christian.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Very true, dredge, and it's hard to believe that no matter how obvious that fact is he insists he's a Christian anyway.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
Dredge writes: You're obvioulsy not a Christian. Yet once again, reality trumps ignorance. I am a Christian and a member of an honest recognized chapter of Club Christian. You of course are free to continue to embrace ignorance but that does not change the facts that I am a Christian raised in a Christian family and educated in a Christian school.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Theodoric writes: Arbitrator if reality? WTF does that even mean? Nothing. I think he just likes the patterns and noises the words make in his head. He's obviously slightly off his trolley at the moment, probably spending a lot of time listening to mad pastor videos that he's now trying to ape.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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jar writes: I am a Christian No! I am Christian!Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
And you both believe that humans made God up and continue to do so. We can safely throw you in this Club over here. Or can we? jar claims to be a believer. Tangle? Just a chap who fishes for a livelihood.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: Tangle? I'm a Christian atheist. As far as I can tell, I have the same moral values as GDR - and I'm baptised.
Just a chap who fishes for a livelihood. I fish for fun not profit.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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