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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Theodoric
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Message 736 of 3207 (855806)
06-23-2019 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 724 by Hyroglyphx
06-23-2019 12:13 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Theo is making it seem as if Christians can do no right
If christians want to take responsibility for all the good they have done, they must also take responsibility for the destruction they have caused.
It is funny how we hear all the great things christians have done and if any christian does good things christians hail how wonderful their religion is. But if any christian does evil, crickets. We either hear they were not real christians or the fact that they were christian has nothing to do with anything.
ABE
This should be the first sentence. It will not show. IS it only not showing on my view?
If christians want to take responsibility for all the good they have done, they must also take responsibility for the destruction they have caused.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 737 of 3207 (855807)
06-23-2019 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 725 by Dredge
06-23-2019 12:15 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
You are a troll.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 738 of 3207 (855808)
06-23-2019 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 729 by Hyroglyphx
06-23-2019 12:51 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Natives gave Europeans Syphilis
That is just one hypothesis. Science does not know the origin of syphilis. It could have originated in the Americas. No one knows.
History of syphilis - Wikipedia

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 739 of 3207 (855809)
06-23-2019 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 736 by Theodoric
06-23-2019 10:09 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
If christians want to take responsibility for all the good they have done, they must also take responsibility for the destruction they have caused.
It is funny how we hear all the great things christians have done and if any christian does good things christians hail how wonderful their religion is. But if any christian does evil, crickets. We either hear they were not real christians or the fact that they were christian has nothing to do with anything.
My only criticism was that its always best not to treat groups as a homogenized unit - especially one so large and diverse. There's a ton of destruction sowed under the banner of Islam, but it would be unfair to lay every misdeed at the feet of every single Muslim considering most did not participate or condone the actions of others. That same rule applies to Christianity. Dredge, however, sounds like a complete cunt and is very much deserving of the personal criticism he's so richly earned.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Theodoric
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Message 740 of 3207 (855811)
06-23-2019 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 739 by Hyroglyphx
06-23-2019 10:29 AM


No group is all good or all bad
My only criticism was that its always best not to treat groups as a homogenized unit - especially one so large and diverse.
Agreed. That is the point I am trying to make. Refer back to the original post of his that I am responding to.
Message 674
Dredge writes:
Then there is the fact that atheist (read: Communist) regimes killed far, far more people in just one century that all the Christian wars in history put together.
I do not blame all christians for native genocide throughout the world. I also do not specifically blame christian religions. The christian religion was a tool used by the elites to expand and exploit commercial interests. Churches were a willing tool.
But as I said. People cannot just take credit for any good their ingroup does, and then turn around ignore all the bad.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 741 of 3207 (855814)
06-23-2019 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 709 by Dredge
06-22-2019 8:08 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Which Catholic teaching says people who have never heard the Christian message are going to hell? I'm unaware of such a teaching.
That is not what Tangle said is it?
Lets look at what Tangle actually said.
Tangle writes:
the punishment of being condemned to everlasting flames if you're nor persuaded by - or haven't even heard of - a stone age myth is just plain idiotic.
Do you see that?"not persuaded by"
Is There Really "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?" | Catholic Answers
quote:
1. There is no salvation apart from Christ and his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Again, this is an infallible teaching and not up for debate among Catholics.
2. Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God.
3. Those in the category of #2 have the real possibility of salvation even if they never come to an explicit knowledge of Christ and/or his Church.
Those not persuaded by catholic teaching are condemned to hell according to catholic teaching.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 742 of 3207 (855816)
06-23-2019 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 740 by Theodoric
06-23-2019 10:45 AM


Re: No group is all good or all bad
People cannot just take credit for any good their ingroup does, and then turn around ignore all the bad.
That's a fair point, especially with the Hitlerian fervor that Dredge is pushing... guy sounds like Mel Gibson at a Holocaust memorial.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 743 of 3207 (855821)
06-23-2019 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 708 by Dredge
06-22-2019 8:03 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Dredge writes:
Okay, so what is “the will of my Father”?
One of our members has this in his signature:
quote:
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
The will of your Father is for you to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your God.
Dredge writes:
Here’s a clue: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life....
You should follow that clue a little further. What does it mean to "believe"?
Are you a True Believer if you mouth "Lord! lLord!"
quote:
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Apparently not.
quote:
Matthew 25:34-36 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
And
quote:
Matthew 25;40 ...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
The ones who inherit the kingdom - i.e. the real believers - are the ones who feed the hungry, etc. not the ones who only profess belief.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 744 of 3207 (855822)
06-23-2019 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 732 by Phat
06-23-2019 7:02 AM


Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Eating the fruit made Adam and Eve more like God. He said so Himself.
Uh huh. Lets how about I??? fOCUS.
What?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 745 of 3207 (855823)
06-23-2019 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 712 by Dredge
06-22-2019 9:42 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Dredge writes:
Try googling the deaths attributed to Communist regimes in the 20th century.
Are you suggesting that we should measure righteousness by body count?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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AZPaul3
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Message 746 of 3207 (855825)
06-23-2019 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 728 by Dredge
06-23-2019 12:44 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Well ranted, Little AntiChrist!
Thank you, Oh spawn of Satan.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 747 of 3207 (855827)
06-23-2019 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by Dredge
06-23-2019 1:06 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Oh, I nearly forgot ... as well as the hundreds of millions killed by Communism ...
More justification for your Christian slaughter. You just love showing your evil.
Keep going. You do more to advance atheism than a dedicated little antichrist could ever hope to accomplish.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 748 of 3207 (855829)
06-23-2019 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by AZPaul3
06-23-2019 3:31 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
I don't think you've said anywhere what you mean by "Christian slaughter." If you have would you please link to it and if you haven't would you please explain what you mean.

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Faith 
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Message 749 of 3207 (855830)
06-23-2019 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 742 by Hyroglyphx
06-23-2019 12:43 PM


Re: No group is all good or all bad
I certainly don't agree with dredge about many things, because he is a Catholic, but I also don't see what you are talking about when you say he's pushing "Hitlerian fervor." Could you please explain.

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Dredge
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Message 750 of 3207 (855838)
06-23-2019 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by Theodoric
06-22-2019 10:33 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Theodoric writes:
Prior to Europeans invading the Americas had a population of at least 100 million and latest scholarship points to over 140 million. What do you think happened to all of those people?
According to your Darwinist belief-system, the demise of the native Americans is an example of evolution in action. The unfit perish and the fit proliferate; the weak give way to the strong. Darwinism says this is a natural process that's been operating with great success for billions of years. So why are you complaining about and opposing the progress of nature? And why are you opposing your own belief-system? Are you a fake evolutionist?

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