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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
quote:All together now! It's OK If You're A Republican!! Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I love Mark Levin. He's the most knowledgeable of the talk show hosts about the history of America and especially the history of the Left. Yes this post will no doubt be riddled with the asterisks of the Mad Censor because it's about everything he wants to get rid of. So you'll have to resort to the "Peek" button if you care.
Levin has written a bunch of books I'm sure I'd love to read if my eyes weren't so bad, with titles like "Liberty and Tyranny" and "Men in Black" (about the corruption of the Supreme Court) and his latest, "Unfreedom of the Press" from which he's read a lot on his program recently -- good stuff. Oh I know EvC can only hate all this and will only say mean things about this post but I'm here to post about what *I* appreciate anyway. Today he read from an article in a magazine called City Journal, by a Harry Stein, about today's "progessive" Democrats and other leftists, as seen through a book written in 1941 by a Eugene Lyons, about the same political mess that existed in those days, titled "The Red Decade." The article is titled "The Red Decade Redux." I know of course that nobody here will accept that today's Left has anything in common with Stalinism but I might as well make another effort to get the point across even knowing it will be trashed. It matters hugely, it represents the destruction of America if it isn't stopped. So here's the first paragraph of the article on the subject:
It may be that the best book that will ever be written about today’s progressive mind-set was published in 1941. That in The Red Decade author Eugene Lyons was, in fact, describing the Communist-dominated American Left of the Depression-wracked 1930s and 1940s makes his observations even more meaningful, for it is sobering to be confronted with how little has been gained by hard experience. The celebration of feelings over reason? The certainty of moral virtue? The disdain for tradition and the revising of history for ideological ends? The embrace of the latest definition of correct thought? Lyons was one of the most gifted reporters of his time, and among the bravest, and his story of the spell cast by Stalinist-tinged social-justice activism over that day’s purported best and brightest”literary titans, Hollywood celebrities, leading academics, religious leaders, media heavies”would be jaw-dropping if it weren’t so eerily familiar. The book, the Red Decade is online by the way.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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The celebration of feelings over reason? The certainty of moral virtue? The disdain for tradition and the revising of history for ideological ends? The embrace of the latest definition of correct thought? Wow! That's kind of an eerie prediction of today's rightwing.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: I know of course that nobody here will accept that today's **** has anything in common with Stalinism but I might as well make another effort to get the point across even knowing it will be trashed. It matters hugely, it represents the destruction of America if it isn't stopped. I think I am liking JonF's assessment of American politics: Republicans oppose Democrats because of what Republicans say Democrats do.Democrats oppose Republicans because of what Republicans do. Faith's posts are a perfect example of this in action. Democrats simply want to regulate capitalism. That isn't Stalinism. Democrats want a single payer healthcare system like tons of other first world countries that aren't communist. That's called Stalinism. Democrats want companies to stop polluting. Stalinism? Apparently. Democrats want to protect workers from the dark side of capitalism while still supporting capitalism. That's not Stalinism. If Republicans proposed the same policies as Democrats do, I bet the right wing would lap it up.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The individual provisions of the ACA were always far more popular than "Obamacare" in the polls.
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JonF writes: The individual provisions of the ACA were always far more popular than "Obamacare" in the polls. Not to mention that a very similar bill was proposed by Republicans in the not so distant past. The ACA was a compromise between the Democratic and Republican ideologies where private health insurance was preserved and subsidized by tax dollars. The only real reason Republicans opposed it is because they didn't want Obama to succeed.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Democrats want a single payer healthcare system like tons of other first world countries that aren't communist. Many Democrats. And many Democrats would be happy with a beefed up version of Obamacare - maybe with a public option - which leaves the insurance companies involved. Some non-communist countries have a system like this; I believe the Netherlands is an example. And this is even more not communist!It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right, it's impossible to be wrong about how EvC is going to respond to a post about how today's Left is llke Communism in the thirties, even if the source is a book written in 1941 by a respected journalist who llved through it, was first enamored of it and then changed his mind.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Right, it's impossible to be wrong about how EvC is going to respond to a post about how today's **** is llke Communism in the thirties.... I admit I'm not too sure what Communism in the US was like in the '30s. But comparisons with a long ago movement is kind of irrelevant; I can see what the American Left today is actually doing or attempting to do. Most of what I can actually see are things I do support.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right, your opinion is far more important than the article about the book that I linked, which aims to show that today's Left IS llke the Communism of the thirties. No need to consider any of that, your own opinion trumps it all. Of course. There is no such thing as new information that might give you a different perspective. That absolutely cannot happen.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All the asterisks I've been getting certainly seem to confirm that we're living in an era when the Left can't be criticized at all, very much like the days of Stalinist Communism. Can't even use the term "censorship."
Funny too, that if you read the list of FAQs at the top of the page you'll run across the question -- fifth from the bottom -- if there are any censor provisions or something like that, and if you click on it you get the answer that this site does not engage in censorship. Unless that's been removed recently. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Chiroptera writes: And many Democrats would be happy with a beefed up version of Obamacare - maybe with a public option - which leaves the insurance companies involved. Some non-communist countries have a system like this; I believe the Netherlands is an example. And this is even more not communist! Private insurance is already a part of the Medicare system. Medicare covers 80% of the cost, and if my understanding is correct there are a few loopholes for some coverage. People can elect to get private supplemental insurance that covers what Medicare does not. This is very similar to systems in other countries, and it works well.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes:
Right, your opinion is far more important than the article about the book that I linked, which aims to show that today's **** IS llke the Communism of the thirties.
So how is it like the Communism of the Thirties?
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 371 days) Posts: 242 Joined: |
I love Mark Levin https://thehill.com/...rk-levin-i-would-never-vote-for-trump Did you love him in April, 2016?
"Conservative radio host Mark Levin says he will not vote for Donald Trump in the general election because of Trump’s connection to controversial strategist Roger Stone. "I'm not voting for Donald Trump. Period. . These bully, dirty tricks, Nixonian tactics, they're only going to backfire. So, count me as never Trump," Levin said Friday.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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I see you missed my point. I probably wasn't being very clear.
I can see, in real life, the real bills that are introduced by real legislators in real legislatures and by real members of Congress in the real Congress. I can see real legislation being passed or not being passed by real lawmakers. I can see real regulations being enacted by real agencies and real officials in real executive branches. I can see real lawsuits being filed by real people and real advocacy groups. I can see real court decisions rendered by real judges. I can read the real speeches, opinions, and articles written by real advocates to try to gain the support of the public. The labels applied by some book aren't all that relevant; what I see the Left doing and saying are, in the most part, things I support. To the point: I think that religious beliefs should be no excuse to disobey a state's anti-discrimination laws. If you want to try to talk me out of this, then calling it Communist isn't going to work; you'll have to argue the merits of the case. I think that most illegal immigrants don't need to be held in custody, and those that do deserve to be held in humane conditions. Am I wrong? You'll need to argue it's merits, not just label it Communist. I think the global climate change poses an existential threat to civilization and we need to stop using fossil fuels. Calling it Communist really isn't relevant; the facts and evidence need to be discussed. I think all people should have access to affordable and decent healthcare. To convince me... well, surel I've made the point. I am on the Left, and unashamed of it. (Hell, I even admit to being a socialist, although I don't mind being called a liberal.) If someone is going to try to convince me that I'm wrong, their going to have to present cogent reasons why the things I support are wrong on their merits, not by calling thema very bad name. Calling the Left Communists is really just a lazy way out of doing the hard work of presenting reasoned arguments based on facts.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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